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Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

Posted on: August 30, 2011 12:15 pm
Posted by Tom Fornelli

LSU is currently without its starting quarterback Jordan Jefferson and linebacker Josh Johns as the two have been suspended indefinitely after being arrested for their role in a fight outside a bar in Baton Rouge. According to witness reports, Jordan Jefferson allegedly kicked a man in the face during the fight, and now a report on ESPN details the injuries suffered by two of the men involved in the fracas.

Andrew Lowery is the man who was allegedly kicked in the face by Jefferson, and he suffered a facial fracture, a concussion, fractured teeth and facial and body bruises in the fight. According to the general manager of the bar where the fight took place, John Peak, Lowery also threw the first punch and had been kicked out of the bar earlier.

Lowery claims that he was merely trying to help an unknown man who was being pulled from his truck by the LSU football players. The man who was pulled from the truck suffered three fractured vertabrae in his lower back, a concussion, fractured teeth and severe cuts and bruises on his face.

What actually happened that night outside Shady's Bar we don't know yet, and it's up to the local police to piece the story together. Still, given the injuries suffered by Lowery and the man in the truck and witness reports, things aren't looking good for Jordan Jefferson at the moment. Regardless of whether or not he started the fight or was merely defending himself. 

Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: August 30, 2011 2:57 pm

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

Look, no matter what, Jordan Jefferson was missing curfew and he kicked a guy in the face when he was down.  We get that and for that he is being punished.  In fact he is being punished more harshly and much more swiftly than a variety of guys all over the country this Summer for doing much, much less.  You can call Les Miles lucky, crazy, whatever, but you can't call him light on discipline.  Ask Perilloux.  Two minor events and he was out on the third.

But, the heart of this discussion is where is the line where self-defense becomes aggression in its own right?  No one can deny from the myriad of statements now in that the marine kid started the fight.  The kid has a record of violence a mile long, has arestraining order against him currently, was thrown out of the bar earlier, etc.  He wants a piece of an LSU football player and does everything he could, including throwing the N word out there and even throwing the first punch.  No one in their right mind can deny at this point that Jefferson has every right to defend himself.  Apparently he does and beats the marine down like a rag doll.  Normally one would say this kid got what he deserved.  He picked, no forced, a fight with Jefferson, gets his butt handed to him, and no wants to press charges?  Shouldn't it be the other way around?  Are we no longer allowed to defend ourselves?

We now know the guy in the truck was the marine's friend, and in fact was there to pick him up.  He honks and screams the N-word and he is promptly pulled out of the truck and giving a much-deserved beat down as well.  If you don't want broken vertebrae, maybe don't holler the N-word at black football players?  Just a thought.

The girl.  Turns out she is the new fling of the violence-prone marine and drove him away when hsi friend was pulled from the truck and incapacitated.  So out of the entire crowd present, many say Jefferson kicked the kid in the head when he was down.  Many state he was attacked first.  But only three people out of maybe 40, the two friends who started the fight and the chic driving the get-away car, say that Jefferson and company started it.  I'm not a statitician, but 37 to 3, including a host of indifferent and impartial observers, saying that it was self-defense speaks pretty strongly.

I know the need to victimize yet another school, to find yet more dirt on a top program, is strong, and one can easily be tempted to ignore facts for the more sensational story.  Remember, Jefferson had never before even been in a hint of trouble.  I still think he shouldn't have kicked the racist punk in the head while he was down, but I don't even know if I would have been able to control myself in a similar situation.

The bottom line is, if he hadn't broken curfew he wouldn't have been a target for the drunk marine redneck. He more than likely would have beaten his get-away driver instead, if his past record is any indication, and jeffesron wouldn't be dealing with all of this.  He didn't take cash, lie, sell services to an agent, cheat on a test, or take drugs.  He broke curfew and eneded up having to defend himself.  That's it.

Since: Aug 30, 2011
Posted on: August 30, 2011 2:42 pm

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

Ok people, this is how it works...

The Baton Rouge police have too many conflicting stories and inconsistant witness statements to be able to tell what happened that night.  In an attempt to appear unbiased, they kicked it up to the District Attorney's Office.  The DA, under the pressure of tha national media, went ahead and filed the felony assault charges against Jefferson and Johns.  Now it is off of their back, and it will be decided by a grand jury whether the witness testimonies are enough send this to criminal trial.  Everyone (LSU and the DA) is betting on the fact that the grand jury will return a no-bill and the criminal side of this incident will be over.  Then the DA and the Baton Rouge Police are off the hook because in the public eye, it appears that they did everything in their power to see it through. 

Unfortunately, once the charges were filed, Miles had to suspend them, and the Grand Jury will not see the case for at least a month.  Once the Grand Jury hears it, and if they choose not to send it to trial, then Miles is free to reinstate them claiming that they were cleared of criminal charges.  This happens all the time, primarily in cases of police misconduct where the DA's office doesn't want to prosecute but due to media attention and public outcry, they send it to the Grand Jury knowing that it will never see the inside of a courtroom, clearing themselves of accusations of favoritism toward the defendants.

I am by no means trying to justify Jefferson or Johns' behavior in this matter.  They acted like thugs and even if the criminal charges are dropped, they will be dealing with civil liability along with LSU.  As an LSU fan, I think they should be suspended.  Regardless of who threw the first punch, they should have know better than to retaliate with such excessive force. 

Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: August 30, 2011 2:38 pm

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

It's amazing how fans of a program will defend a guy no matter what.

But enough about Ohio State...

Since: Sep 5, 2010
Posted on: August 30, 2011 2:28 pm

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

Just for those of you keeping score at home:

- the guy (who is obviously lying and) who pretended to be the good samaritan had the following injuries: 

 "he suffered a facial fracture, a concussion, fractured teeth and facial and body bruises in the fight"

- the guy (who also is obviously lying and) who says he just honked his horn had the following injuries:

"three fractured vertabrae in his lower back, a concussion, fractured teeth and severe cuts and bruises on his face."

BUT the guy who manages the bar - and is therefore completely objective to the topic at hand - says those same guys started everything and caused all of the problems.  Of course, none of the LSU players have a mark on them.

THE IRONY OF IT ALL... is that dirty-ol'-corrput-redneck-white-trash Louisiana would normally hang these black kids without a trial for these types of beatings.  In this case, that same corruption will actually keep them eligible for the 2011 season.

Welcome to the SEC and the real ideologies of the South.  

--- Its all about the "Five 'F's'" - the Father's son, Firearms, Fried foods (being fat), Football, and F everything else!

Since: Aug 9, 2009
Posted on: August 30, 2011 2:23 pm

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

It's amazing how fans of a program will defend a guy no matter what. 

Since: Sep 18, 2006
Posted on: August 30, 2011 2:17 pm

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

SO Henne TD, is he a punk because he got into a fight or that he won the fight? Just trying to get an understanding of where you are coming from... Are you objective or are you just another person jealous of these athletes & their success, so any chance you get to take shots at them you do?  The only witness info I heard was from the Bar owner who said the alleged victim is the one who through the first punch...

A facial facture, etc on the guy only means he didn't win the fight... With all the issues Michigan has had, I would think a MU fan wouldn't just jump to conclusions about anyone... Guess that's asking too much 

Since: Aug 30, 2006
Posted on: August 30, 2011 2:15 pm

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

I think Willie Lyles is angrier at LSU than Oregon as the Willie Lyles Bowl approaches and sent Lowery in to "stir up trouble and help the Duck cause"

Since: Oct 13, 2006
Posted on: August 30, 2011 2:05 pm

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

This is not going away...Lee starts for the whole season.

Since: Sep 12, 2006
Posted on: August 30, 2011 1:58 pm

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

Wow.  Facial Fracture, fractured teeth, concussion.   Jordan Jefferson, tough guy.  Sir I hope you never step onto the field ever again as a student athlete.

JJ = Punk.

Since: Mar 4, 2007
Posted on: August 30, 2011 1:54 pm

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

I think this is a typical witch hunt against some poor minority college football players.  You know, the ones who need to be paid because they can't take their girlfriends out on a Saturday night for a hamburger.  You know, the ones that are always being wrongly accused by the police because they are never doing anything wrong.  You know, the ones who have 49 pairs of shoes and are hanging out at the clubs but have no money.  Of course they will be reeinstated.  The lawyers have already made their play and LSU, through the mouthpiece of Les Miles, will come out with something like this;

"Although we do not condone the actions of these players, we will reinstate them until they are allowed to defend themselves fairly.  We will allow these legal matters to takes their due course."

You know, some bull$hit like that so that these young men will have an opportunity to play football.    

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