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Report: BYU in discussions with Big 12

Posted on: September 1, 2011 11:42 am
Posted by Jerry Hinnen

Wednesday, BYU officials released a statement condemning conference expansion "conjecture" involving the Cougars as a "distraction" its football program didn't need. We're going to humbly suggest, however, that the Cougars simply get used to it.

Because after this report from the Salt Lake Tribune, it's safe to say that conjecture is only getting started. According to the Tribune, BYU officials and representatives from the Big 12 have already met for discussions regarding "what conditions and assurances [BYU] would need to make the jump" to the soon-to-be Texas A&M-free conference.

Among those "conditions" would be how the Big 12 might coexist with BYU's existing television network, BYUtv, not to mention the rest of BYU's athletics programs; currently, the Cougars are scheduled to join the West Coast Conference in sports other than football beginning with the 2011-2012 athletics season. The Tribune reported that "some of the discussions involve the possibility of BYU joining the Big 12 for football only."

Also reportedly offering "input" to the talks? Representatives from Notre Dame, BYU's "partner" in independence who have an six-year football series scheduled with the Cougars. ESPN's football contract with BYU was also a point of discussion.

All of this makes yesterday's statement seem even more misleading. Before, its omission of any actual denials regarding the Cougars' conference affiliation might have simply been an oversight. But now, it's obvious those omissions were intentional; the rumors linking BYU to the Big 12 have legs, and thickly-built legs at that.

It's still too soon to say BYU-to-the-Big 12 is a done deal, or even likely; with rumors also abundant that a bundle of Pac-12 invitations will have the Big 12 dissolved by Halloween, BYU may not wind up with anywhere to make the jump to. But as far as the Big 12's survival goes, sitting down at the table with a name-brand program like BYU isn't a bad first step at all.

Since: Apr 25, 2008
Posted on: September 1, 2011 9:53 pm

Report: BYU in discussions with Big 12

Ughh!  I am really getting tired of this.  BYU would be a welcome addition to the Big 9 but who really thinks that this conference will be around past a year or two?  I have said previously that I felt OU was in control of their own destiny but I am not so sure anymore.  It is time to make something happen.  OU is a really good brand but without action that brand can and will take a hit. 

Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: September 1, 2011 9:17 pm

Report: BYU in discussions with Big 12

The issue with BYU's religion is not on BYU's end. There are several PAC 10 schools who have no desire to have BYU as a member based on things like the church's stance on Prop. 8. There are other conferences like the Big 10 that may have differences academically when it comes to certain areas of research. The Big 12 really is by far the best fit for BYU, and Air Force makes an excellent replacement for A&M.

Since: Apr 10, 2009
Posted on: September 1, 2011 8:23 pm

Report: BYU in discussions with Big 12

As has been said, if the Big XII and BYU come to terms for membership, the Big XII will stay there. The 2nd Tier right contract they signed was contingent on a 10 team conference. You don't go to 12 unless the next two add value and most of the schools people mention simply don't do that. The network is not obligated in any way to restructure their end just because the Big XII added two more teams above ten, which would mean every school would get less than they thought they were before A&M decided to commit suicide, I mean bolt for the SEC.

Now, if Notre Dame and Arkansas are the two in addition to BYU, then hell yes you expand to 12 and renegotiate. Otherwise, the Big XII will wait until 1st Tier contract negotiation comes up in 2016 before broaching the idea of conference expansion beyond 10.

Now, if BYU doesn't join... well, that's when we crack open that can of worms. 

Since: Jun 13, 2011
Posted on: September 1, 2011 7:01 pm

Report: BYU in discussions with Big 12

Some one should show Ohio St. how much more money they could make if they joined the BIG XII.

trackernot?  good gawd...what a goob statement!  Please, be our guest and show us all how much more money Ohio St could make in the Big12 than they do in the B1G...haha...delusional.

Since: Aug 22, 2006
Posted on: September 1, 2011 6:27 pm

Report: BYU in discussions with Big 12

The BIG XII didn't seek expansion, because no one thought A&M was stupid enough to leave the BIG XII.  A&M has some other reason for becoming irrelevant.  A&M 0-6 vs. SEC.

Boise has a smaller stadium than TCU, and do they have the academics to fit with the BIG XII, probably not even close!

If BYU can get into BIG XII, that will be it.  They will stay at 10.  BYU's network is probably not even an issue, but their TV contract could be.

If the SEC is taking A&M, they may make other mistakes, but they will NOT add FSU or Clemson.  They may not be the smartest conference, but they would never canaballize themselves!

Notre Dame is way too full of themselves and they will not join a conference until its way too late.  They have missed the boat and are deeply headed to irrelevancy if the conferences ever hit 16 teams.  They will join the Big East once every major program leaves it, and they lose their BCS status.  That makes 0 sense and thats why I believe ND would jump at a chance to go nowhere fast.

Notre Dame is missing a huge chance to get into a conference made for them.

Some one should show Ohio St. how much more money they could make if they joined the BIG XII.  Since people are somehow talking about Louisville and Cinci being future members.  WVU...Please!

Since: Jul 15, 2011
Posted on: September 1, 2011 6:04 pm

Report: BYU in discussions with Big 12

Doubt that BYU's religious connections prevent the school from joining any conference because BYU worships the Almighty Dollar just like their opponents do.  Independence was fun for a few weeks, but ultimately they're nothing more than a piece of meat for sale in the college football meat market.  The Cougars would play in the Europe if the money were right.  They also lie (see article above) like their peers regarding conference negotiations.

Since: Oct 13, 2006
Posted on: September 1, 2011 6:03 pm

Report: BYU in discussions with Big 12

"As for A&M, most people I know don't care they are leaving, except Longhorn fans, for some reason."

You noticed that too?  It kind of brings a teat to my eye!  Go Aggies! 

Since: Jun 5, 2011
Posted on: September 1, 2011 6:00 pm

Report: BYU in discussions with Big 12

A year ago, BYU was getting ready to play out the string in a mediocre, non-BCS conference.  Now, they are poised to be one of the key players in conference realignment.  They might end up in the Big 12, but I still see them eventually joining archrival Utah in the Pac 16 or 18, along with a few other Big 12 schools when the Big 12 officially becomes the second conference Texas has destroyed.  

Since: Apr 22, 2009
Posted on: September 1, 2011 4:25 pm

Report: BYU in discussions with Big 12

What does ESPEEN say about BYU joining the BIG 12?  SHOW ME THE MONEY !!

Since: Sep 21, 2006
Posted on: September 1, 2011 4:18 pm

Report: BYU in discussions with Big 12

Ditto for me... I also have a brother in Boise but it doesn't seem to be part of the discussion at this point (Boise/Big 12).  It would be nice to see them and BYU turned into a natural rival in a scenario like this.  I'm also excited for the new Utah/Colorado rivalry as those two states are natural rivals in other ways (ski areas, Jazz/Nuggets, even lifestyle to an extent)... I think that will take off quickly. 

I really hope the Big 12 can survive, it's better for the Western USA in general to have not just the PAC, but another BCS conference that at least partially gets into the western states.  I'd also love to see teams like Texas, Oklahoma, etc. coming into Provo for BYU, and USC/Oregon coming to SLC for Utah on an annual basis.

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