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Slive: No 'immediate plans' to add 14th member

Posted on: September 12, 2011 6:23 pm
Edited on: September 13, 2011 6:55 pm
Posted by Jerry Hinnen

The SEC may eventually add a 14th team to go with lucky No. 13 Texas A&M, who Mike Slive confirmed Monday has had its application accepted by the league--though thanks to the various legal entanglements thrown in the Aggies' way, is apparently not a full member yet.

But as for team No. 14, it sounds as if Slive is fully prepared to wait at least a year to find it, if not longer. Slive also said in his statement that the league has no "immediate plans for a 14th member. We aren’t thinking in terms of numbers. We think about the strength of the SEC and the attractiveness of Texas A&M as an institution."

To drive that point home, Slive also confirmed the SEC has "started to look at schedules for 2012-13 involving thirteen teams."

But that little factoid also helps drive a second point home: while A&M isn't officially within the league's ranks yet, they might as well be. "We remain optimistic that Texas A&M will be a member of the SEC," Slive said, commissioner-speak for "Trust me, it's happening, don't worry."

Of course, that's been the expectation ever since the SEC confirmed that its presidents had voted to bring the Aggies into the fold the moment they were legally free to do so. But the expectation has also been that the league -- which Slive famously said could expand to 16 within a matter of minutes -- wouldn't bother playing even one season with unbalanced divisions and an unusual odd-numbered membership.

Given that Slive already feels comfortable enough to tell us the SEC's preliminary 2012-2013 schedules will have just 13 teams included, though, the smart money should now overwhelmingly be on A&M coming aboard in the very near future ... and anyone else in 2013 at the earliest.

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Since: Aug 7, 2008
Posted on: September 13, 2011 6:47 am

Slive: No 'immediate plans' to add 14th member

With the addition of Texas A&M, the SEC is one step closer to getting all the states that seceded from the US and started the Civil War. Pretty soon theyre going to do the same thing, flip the bird to everyone else and just break away from the NCAA. After that, there wont be any restrictions on who they get, how much they pay them and how excessive the scandals get because there wont be anybody left to stop them. 5 years from now college football will be dead as we know it

Since: Feb 11, 2009
Posted on: September 13, 2011 3:53 am

Slive: No 'immediate plans' to add 14th member

Who cares if the conference is "balanced" or not.  Surely it doen't take a mathematical genius to figure out a schedule that works, for all sports, but especially for football, which is the SEC's preeminent sport.  Just do it and the Big 12 is really gone, while the SEC looks to become a larger league.   

Since: Jun 5, 2011
Posted on: September 13, 2011 2:39 am

What Slive really meant

Slive meant to say this: 

"We will talk to anyone who has a program that meets our standards, and have already talked to at least ten different schools.  We know exactly who we want, and in what order.  As soon as the logistics are taken care of, we will take at least three more teams.  In the meantime, we will continue to lie, obfuscate, and laugh behind all of your backs."   

Since: Jul 29, 2009
Posted on: September 13, 2011 1:43 am

Slive: No 'immediate plans' to add 14th member

When the Sliveball says there are no" immediate plans for a 14th member", he was actually saying that Missouri, Virginia Tech and Florida State won't be invited til October 1. If history has told us anything, it's that conference commissioners are as truthful to their word as Bernie Madoff. The only dudes worse are the presidents and the AD's. Let's face facts; college sports is a cesspool where big money TV contracts dictate every move. The money has gotten just too big to ignore and amateur sports has gone the way of Notre Dame and Army dominance in the sport.

Since: Nov 3, 2007
Posted on: September 13, 2011 12:47 am

Slive: No 'immediate plans' to add 14th member

Uh aggieband, I'm one of the first to say on this site that I believe A&M will be powerful in the SEC because it will have a tremendous effect on recruiting the Texas talent base but what makes you think West Virginia will bring in the Western Pennsylvania TV market?  Pittsburgh is in the southwestern corner of Pennsylvania next to West Virginia and the natives are Pitt fans and WVa rivals.  They're not going to suddenly become WVa fans.

As you said referring to FSU, Georgia Tech and Clemson don't deliver any new TV markets and in the case of Clemson, South Carolina is too tiny to have two teams.  That's a big reason the ACC wouldn't let South Carolina back in.  They tried for years.  Another problem with Clemson is the fact that South Carolina has been totally dominated by Clemson throughout history.  CBS's puffing of the SEC is the only reason South Carolina gets their share of South Carolina talent now.  If Clemson joined the SEC South Carolina would be irrelavant.  Thye'll fight it tooth and toenail. Florida would fight against FSU and Miami because before the SEC puffing they were irrelavant in Florida and would be in danger of reverting to that status. 

Virginia Tech would be the eastern team the SEC would covet because it would bring in a totally new market and a market bigger than South Carolina and West Virginia combined.  The trick will be getting them.  To add eastern teams will put a heavy travel burden on Texas A&M.  A fourteenth team would almost certainly have to come from the west.  They'd probably like to get Missouri unless they go to sixteen right away which would make Oklahoma and Oklahoma State very attractive even though Oklahoma isn't that big.  Oklahoma football is.  The travel considerations, the rivalry considerations and the overall quality of the two programs would likely be better for the SEC.  Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina and Tennessee wouldn't have to play those teams every year that way.  

Just my contribution to the speculation.  I'm probably not close.        
;     &nbs

Since: Nov 23, 2008
Posted on: September 13, 2011 12:09 am

Slive: No 'immediate plans' to add 14th member

Really, the options for 14th team is very limited.  The SEC schools have indicated that they would not take a team from SEC's footprint. So, with media speculation, the likely candidates (for East) are West Virginia and Virginia Tech.  It seems like SEC has no interested in taking an ACC team so that makes West Virginia the team.  VT has come out and said they are happy in the ACC.  I don't think I've read or heard any statement from West Virginia on the matter.  Are they interested?

I've also read a story where Auburn would OK a move to East division.  Then that would indicate 14th team will be added to West division. Missouri perhaps? I think not.  My feeling is OU/Ok State will be turned down by Pac12 and Mr. Slive will extend them invitations.  I think Pac12 saw Texas for what it is and they don't want any part of it.  It will allow SEC to goto 16 team and renegotiate TV deal to full potential if those schools decide to join and leave one open spot for Texas.  Even if they don't and decide to stay, it will still work as a leverage against Texas.  I think this is Mr. Slive's show of taming Texas.  Maybe until Mr. Delaney swoops down and snatchs up Texas.

Since: Feb 2, 2007
Posted on: September 12, 2011 11:14 pm

Slive: No 'immediate plans' to add 14th member

Bama, one of the things that helped draw A&M to the SEC is the longtime relationshipo we had with playing LSU for may years to start the season and the on-going rivalry with Arkansas in Dallas. OU and Teas play in hte rundown Cotton Bowl, Arkansas plays A&M in Cowboys Satdium. All the haters who warn A&M away fro mteh SEC with threats that we'll finish last every year are simply not realistic. A&M's program is on an upswing. We held our own against LSU when we played them regularly, we are certainly competitive with Arkansas, we should beat Auburn in years when they are not paying six figure incomes to their QB, we ought to beat Miss State and Ole Miss all the time; only Bama should give A&M fits on an annual basis. In the East, Florida will be a problem, but Georgia and Tennssee have been down for a while, South Carolina is inconsistent, Kentucky and Vanderbilt should stick to basketball and baseball respectively. So, I see A&M being 8-4, 9-3 on a regular basis and if we get the recruiting boost most anticipate, we might improve on that a bit.

A&M certainly improves everyone's strength of schedule given that we're a lot better than Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Miss State, Ole Miss, Georgia, Tennessee and Auburn (this year) while being roughly equal overall with South Carolina and Arkansas. LSU, Alabama and Florida are generally more successful, but we still improve their schedules.

Since: Feb 2, 2007
Posted on: September 12, 2011 10:54 pm

Slive: No 'immediate plans' to add 14th member

Agreed, but they are certainly not known as a basketball school. Another thing Florida State will need to improve to compete in the SEC is their various women's programs. All of the SEC schools put a lot of emphasis on the women's sports and several have excellent (nationally ranked) programs in basketball and volleyball.

That is where A&M has made the greatest strides since the arrival of Bill Byrne as AD. In fact, it is one of the primary reasons why he was hired away from Nebraska. His stated goal when he arrived in College Station was to get Aggies away from the attitude that beating Texas in football was all that mattered. He looked at upgrading all sports and his influence has been remarkable. Last season, every single sport in which A&M fielded a team placed in the national top twenty-five with the exception of women's volleyball. Three won national championships (women's basketball and track and men's track). A&M's men and women both won track national titles for the third consecutive year, something that has never been done before by any school. And in addition, the Aggie women's equestrian team won the national title, even though that is not a recognized NCAA sport.

Since: Feb 2, 2007
Posted on: September 12, 2011 10:42 pm

Slive: No 'immediate plans' to add 14th member

Baylor isn't leaving because no one wants them... they are only in the Big 12 because Ann Richards 'mandated' it when she was governor at the time the Big 12 was being formed. They don't bring educational excellence or athletic prowess, so they have little to offer a conference other than 19th century social ideas.

Kansas is appealing in basketball only, Iowa State is great academically, but isn't very good in any sports, Kansas State likewise. Missouri ought to look northward to the Big 10/11/12 (whatever) as should Kansas. Oklahoma State will follow Oklahoma wherever they go and can offer solid programs in football, basketball and baseball, as well as golf. They also have good academics. I will be shocked if Texas Tech gets picked up by any of teh big conferences, unless they ride Texas' coattails.

I'll be most interested to see what Texas decides to do with the LHN after the Big 12 dissolves. The Pac won't allow something like that, so they may have to decide on keeping all the revenue and going independent or joining the PAC and sharing the revenue more or less equally amongst all the schools in hte conference. knowing the importance of money to the 'horns, I would lean toward them deciding to go it alone.

Since: Sep 5, 2011
Posted on: September 12, 2011 10:37 pm

Slive: No 'immediate plans' to add 14th member

WVU has been the one (the only 1 ?) Big East team that has been playing SEC teams during the past few years.  Since 2005 WVU has played these teams both at home and away: Auburn, LSU, and Mississippi State.  So at least there is some experience with each school's team and fans.

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