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Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

Posted on: September 13, 2011 12:40 pm
Edited on: September 14, 2011 11:26 am
 
Posted by Jerry Hinnen

We can't personally vouch for the credibility of the Austin-American Statesman's sources. But if the picture portrayed by those sources in this story by Kirk Bohls and Alan Trubow is at all accurate, the day of reckoning for the Big 12 is just about at hand.

According to the report -- and as also reported by CBSSports.com's Dennis Dodd -- University of Texas president Bill Powers and athletic director DeLoss Dodds flew to Oklahoma Sunday for a meeting with Sooners officials. Powers' and Dodds' aim, according to Bolhs and Trubow: convince Oklahoma (and by association, joined-at-the-hip in-state rival Oklahoma State) to remain in the Big 12 and forgo applying for membership in the Pac-12.

But according to the report's sources, the Sooners' minds were -- and are -- already made up. They're looking West:
"There's nothing Texas could have offered Oklahoma that would have changed their mind. They were set on leaving the Big 12 before Texas got there," a well-placed source at a Big 12 school said, adding that Sunday's meeting had a very friendly and cooperative tone. "The Big 12's done. Oklahoma wasn't open to creating Big 12 stability" ...

"Texas must have come into the meeting and seen the handwriting on the wall," said a source close to OU and Texas who is familiar with these realignment issues. "I think OU and OSU will seek membership to the Pac-12 in the next two weeks, but [Texas] A&M comes first."
Despite the Sooners' and Cowboys' intentions, even the report isn't ready to move the realignment chess pieces just yet. While the Oklahoma and Oklahoma State move is "expected," Larry Scott -- who has said repeatedly the Pac-12 doesn't want to expand at this time -- and the Pac-12 presidents could reject the Sooners' and Cowboys' applications.

But assuming Scott does pull the trigger, Texas would be left without a viable conference as the Big 12 crumbles. Per the report, their options at that stage would be to follow the Oklahoma schools to the Pac-12 (or -14), apply to join the ACC, or go independent--and the report claims Texas officials have already had highly preliminary talks with the ACC.

While independence is described as the least appealing option for Dodds and Texas officials, the Longhorn Network could be a major stumbling block for joining one of the other conferences. According to Bohls and Trubow, "Texas has no desire to part, alter or share any aspect of The Longhorn Network, but it would not be able to retain the network as is in the Pac-12." The Longhorns are also reportedly balking at the Pac-12's plan for divisional alignments in a 16-team scenario.

So what's the bottom line right now? With the Statesman report backing the widespread rumors that the Sooners are ready to pack their bags, it seems safe to assume that Oklahoma is indeed bent on abandoning the Big 12 and concluding its viability as a conference. But past that? Every other conference realignment chip is still in the air, and it remains anybody's guess where they fall.

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Since: Aug 13, 2011
Posted on: September 26, 2011 7:00 pm
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

Paytonb:

"ll that being said, while I do feel the SEC is a much more stable conference I don't at all believe the Aggies will be the bottom feeders there everyone seems to think they will be. I think the instability and overall chaos of the Big12 tends to overshadow the strength of it's football programs."

On this point, I'm afraid, I must agree with you. At least at this point in time. And I thank you for clarifying your post. 



Since: Sep 6, 2006
Posted on: September 26, 2011 1:53 pm
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

PAYTONB: Best wishes to you in the SEC. However, do you suggest by this post that you are comparing the Big 12 with Arena Football and the SEC with the NFL?

Not at all usbummer. My post was directed at those who are claiming the Aggies will get eaten alive in the SEC because it is so much more dominating. My point was that if that were in fact the case it would actually be more of an argument to make the move than to not make it. This point is evidenced by routefn in the post before you very well and shows just how people don't understand the positives of moving to a more powerful conference. I was showing the weakness in their argument, not at all saying I agreed with their logic in initializing the argument in the first place.

All that being said, while I do feel the SEC is a much more stable conference I don't at all believe the Aggies will be the bottom feeders there everyone seems to think they will be. I think the instability and overall chaos of the Big12 tends to overshadow the strength of it's football programs. 



Since: Aug 13, 2011
Posted on: September 26, 2011 11:05 am
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

"If you were in the arena football league and in the playoffs every year but had an offer to join the NFL would you say no?"

PAYTONB: Best wishes to you in the SEC. However, do you suggest by this post that you are comparing the Big 12 with Arena Football and the SEC with the NFL? If so, let me show to you this chart which appeared on a competing, but well established web site. It ranks football conferences by combining the AP with a computerized program that takes into account wins against non-conference opponents, bowl wins, national championships, etc., and assigned a number to indicate the final results. The results were fascinating as the confrences wound out being bunched together into three distince groups. These groups are as follows, ranked from best to worst:

FIRST TIER:
1. Big 12 ............... (95.9) 
2. SEC .................. (93.2)

SECOND TIER
3. Big 10 .............. (62.3)
4. PAC 12 ............. (61.0)
5. ACC ................. (59.9)
6. MWC ................ (56.2)
7. Big East ............ (50.2)

THIRD TIER
8. C-USA .............. (18.2)
9. MAC ................  (14.0)
10. Sun Belt .........  (13.6)
11. WAC ..............  (12.7) 

Arena Football? Seriously? 



Since: Nov 27, 2006
Posted on: September 26, 2011 10:50 am
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

Well good luck because you already get 3rd place in recruiting in your own state, and now you've just invited an entire conference into it.  Not to mention that your last/only national title was in 1939 and your last conference title was in 1998,,,, am I missing something?  Do you really think that trading playing OU, OSU, Tech and the Horns was so easy that you will now go play LSU, Bama, Auburn, the Hogs and get UF or UGGA every other year,,,, good luck.  Thats an all time aggie logic trip if I ever heard one.

Dont get me wrong,,, I hate the horns too, but our solution is to beat them on a regular basis at their own state fair and then go flirt with their girlfriends while we eat a corndog,,, this seems to work well for us and we will continue to do so.  You will be replaced with another team with better football tradition as of late,, TCU,,, and posibly a team that can at least compete and has a national title in the last 30 years,,, BYU.

You wont be missed as much as you would think, however Oklahoma State still wants to schedule you every year if thats ok,?.



Since: Sep 6, 2006
Posted on: September 22, 2011 5:20 pm
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

and A&M needs to quit acting like a child and realize that they are losing a part of their history when they stop playing Texas, not to mention that they are in no shape to go play that SEC schedule right now.  Only time will tell.

Here we go again, how is A&M acting like a child for wanting to leave a falling apart conference to join arguably the best in the Nation but you have no problem with OU and OSU wanting to leave? As far as competing I'll never understand that argument. If you were in the arena football league and in the playoffs every year but had an offer to join the NFL would you say no? One of the biggest pros of moving the the SEC is that there will be improved recruiting opportunities and more money, both of which will go a long ways towards improving the football program overall. Anyone who thinks this is a bad move just because 'it will be harder' simply doesn't see the big picture. 



Since: Nov 27, 2006
Posted on: September 22, 2011 10:00 am
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

Bummer,,  actually I am an OSU and an OU fan, I graduated from a different Oklahoma School but have always tried to keep the peace as I am the only person in 3 generations on either side of my family that did not go to either OU or OSU.  I love OU's rivalry with Texas and I love that OSU and Tech have begun to hate each other so much as well, and would hate to lose those games as much as I am going to hate losing the game between both of them and A&M.  Having said all that I wish the Texas and Texas A&M powers taht be could grow up and save this thing.  The horns need to give in a little on this network and some of their other sticking points being a myopic pre madonna, and A&M needs to quit acting like a child and realize that they are losing a part of their history when they stop playing Texas, not to mention that they are in no shape to go play that SEC schedule right now.  Only time will tell.



Since: Sep 6, 2006
Posted on: September 20, 2011 5:59 pm
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

The haves,,,, UT and only UT, A&M thinks they are a have, but they arent they are a jealous have not

A&M could care less what UT has. It's hilarious how some people assume all this nonsense when A&M chooses to leave a dying conference but when it's OU those same fans cry a different tune. Don't be jealous that A&M beat your school to the punch and forced your hand, your school will survive just fine.



Since: Aug 13, 2011
Posted on: September 18, 2011 10:24 am
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

Both schools are like brothers, they can pick on each other but no one else can pick on my brother ir its a fight,

This was a comment from an Oklahoma Sooner fan regarding their cross-state rivals, Oklahoma State.

I am an Oklahoma State fan who, for the last 50 years has developed a bitter hatred for the Sooners primarilly because of the attitudes shown by their fans towards us. Although I have kept no records, this is the first time in my life I can personally recall an OU fan making a public statement that shows any degree of respect for OSU. It has absolutely turned my known world upside down. I must confess that I left the state of Oklahoma 31 years ago in pursuit of other adult matters and have missed a lot of in-state developments.

In my 62 years of life I have grown to know that there exists certain unalienable truths within this universe. Among other things these include the facts that the world is round and it revolves around the sun, there are trillions of galaxies in existence throughout the universe, 1+1=2 in base 10, and I would NEVER cheer for the OU Sooners. Then, as I was watching the OU-Fla State game last night, I found myself -shudder - actually hoping for the Sooners to WIN!!! Two things kept going through my mind. A blog some doofus placed on this site about how the Sooners would be an SEC bottom feeder (which reminded me of this cited reference about picking on my brother), and the respect this one Sooner fan publicly showed to the Cowboys, even if it was only slight. Could it be that this is all it took for 50 years of hatred to start to melt? One comment of respect from one fan? I guess I am going to have to re-contemplate all of my concepts of reality now. Where are my Tums?



Since: Jun 18, 2011
Posted on: September 17, 2011 6:51 pm
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

On a side note, you can't ask for more drama than with conference reenlignment, football programs under investigation, and high profile coaches getting fired.. what a year.




Since: Jun 18, 2011
Posted on: September 17, 2011 6:44 pm
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

You can't ask for more drama with conference reenlignment, football programs under investigation, and high profile coaches getting fired.. what a year.


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