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Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

Posted on: September 13, 2011 12:40 pm
Edited on: September 14, 2011 11:26 am
 
Posted by Jerry Hinnen

We can't personally vouch for the credibility of the Austin-American Statesman's sources. But if the picture portrayed by those sources in this story by Kirk Bohls and Alan Trubow is at all accurate, the day of reckoning for the Big 12 is just about at hand.

According to the report -- and as also reported by CBSSports.com's Dennis Dodd -- University of Texas president Bill Powers and athletic director DeLoss Dodds flew to Oklahoma Sunday for a meeting with Sooners officials. Powers' and Dodds' aim, according to Bolhs and Trubow: convince Oklahoma (and by association, joined-at-the-hip in-state rival Oklahoma State) to remain in the Big 12 and forgo applying for membership in the Pac-12.

But according to the report's sources, the Sooners' minds were -- and are -- already made up. They're looking West:
"There's nothing Texas could have offered Oklahoma that would have changed their mind. They were set on leaving the Big 12 before Texas got there," a well-placed source at a Big 12 school said, adding that Sunday's meeting had a very friendly and cooperative tone. "The Big 12's done. Oklahoma wasn't open to creating Big 12 stability" ...

"Texas must have come into the meeting and seen the handwriting on the wall," said a source close to OU and Texas who is familiar with these realignment issues. "I think OU and OSU will seek membership to the Pac-12 in the next two weeks, but [Texas] A&M comes first."
Despite the Sooners' and Cowboys' intentions, even the report isn't ready to move the realignment chess pieces just yet. While the Oklahoma and Oklahoma State move is "expected," Larry Scott -- who has said repeatedly the Pac-12 doesn't want to expand at this time -- and the Pac-12 presidents could reject the Sooners' and Cowboys' applications.

But assuming Scott does pull the trigger, Texas would be left without a viable conference as the Big 12 crumbles. Per the report, their options at that stage would be to follow the Oklahoma schools to the Pac-12 (or -14), apply to join the ACC, or go independent--and the report claims Texas officials have already had highly preliminary talks with the ACC.

While independence is described as the least appealing option for Dodds and Texas officials, the Longhorn Network could be a major stumbling block for joining one of the other conferences. According to Bohls and Trubow, "Texas has no desire to part, alter or share any aspect of The Longhorn Network, but it would not be able to retain the network as is in the Pac-12." The Longhorns are also reportedly balking at the Pac-12's plan for divisional alignments in a 16-team scenario.

So what's the bottom line right now? With the Statesman report backing the widespread rumors that the Sooners are ready to pack their bags, it seems safe to assume that Oklahoma is indeed bent on abandoning the Big 12 and concluding its viability as a conference. But past that? Every other conference realignment chip is still in the air, and it remains anybody's guess where they fall.

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Since: Dec 3, 2006
Posted on: September 15, 2011 9:48 am
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

No one cares about Texas Football.
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I guess those idiots at Forbes are just idiots. Damn, I wish Forbes hired more from Georgia or Maine or wherever you geniuses come from, so we didn't have these incorrect representations of the American public any more.



Since: Nov 19, 2006
Posted on: September 15, 2011 9:15 am
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

When Oklahoma leaves (not if), the Big 12 Conference will cease to exist.  The blame goes to a terribly mis-managed conference.  Texas just got away with what they could.  Texas has always been greedy, and that will never change.  Still, you cannot blame Texas for doing what it did.  You can blame them for some idiotic ideas which led to the current problem, but not the past problems.  The Big 12-2-1-many more has to stop this B.S. about saving the conference.  It is NOT going to happen.  Once OU and Oklahoma State pull the trigger, the game is over.  Texas can do what it wants, and no one, other than Texas Tech, is going to care.  

What Texas can not get thru their rather stubborn thick skulls is that they are NOT a great football program.  No one cares about Texas Football.  OU has a much more successful program, and a much better program than Texas has now.  A&M's porgram is just as good.  Okie State's program has also passed Texas.  What Texas should be doing is negotiating a way to get around that stupid LHN problem of theirs with the Pac 12.  But alas, Texan greed may eventually do them in.  Ofcourse there is always the ACC. 



Since: May 12, 2011
Posted on: September 15, 2011 12:53 am
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'


This is how I see it everyting ultimately playing out:

To SEC :  Ultimately Texas A&M,  Mizzou, North Carolina, and Virginia Tech ( SEC gets into TX, KC/STL, North Carolina, and Va/DC markets)

To Pac-12 :  Oklahoma (or Kansas),  TCU (or SMU) Univ of Houston &  UNLV  ( get a big football and/or basketball name, DFW and Houston markets, and Las Vegas market)
To Big 10 :   Kansas ( or Oklahoma),  UVA, UConn, and Maryland or Boston College  ( Big 10 gets big football and/or basketball name, moves into Va/DC,  and entrenches in Northeast markets

Remaining Big 12 joins with Mountain West

Remaining ACC and Big East combine,  forming  5  16-team Super Conferences

Texas becomes the south/southwest Notre Dame


Carpe



Since: Sep 14, 2011
Posted on: September 14, 2011 11:42 pm
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

 Wow, fortyacres, thank you for personifying why everyone hates Texas.  You sound like a spoiled teenage girl because you basically just said everyone hates Texas because you are "rich and beautiful", but the real reason everyone hates you is because of your ARROGANCE.  However, despite the arrogant nature of  your school, I hope OU and UT end up in the same conference because I think the rivalry makes both teams better.

Yet, despite your arrogance, I don't blame UT for Texas A&M leaving.  Texas A&M has a major inferiority complex.  It seems like A&M thinks Texas is holding it back, and somehow they will do better once they are separated from UT.  Personally, I think they are responsible for their own shortcomings, which will be even more obvious when they join the SEC and get throttled every year.  Hey Aggies, wake up, you have won the Big 12 conference only once back in 1999.  Why do you think you could possibly be competitive in the SEC, you are going to get destroyed.  However, when that happens, you won't be able to blame UT for all of your problems.  Then what are you going to do? 

For the record, OU is not leaving because of the money, we have a sweet deal in the Big 12, just like UT.  No, we are leaving because we want a conference that is stable and will not fall apart at any moment.  I am ready for OU to leave for a more stable conference and get this drama behind us.  But, as I said before, I hope UT also joins the PAC 12 and keeps the rivalry going.




Since: Oct 14, 2010
Posted on: September 14, 2011 9:44 pm
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

For all the people pointing fingers of blame, once in awhile someone is smart enough to say everyone has blood on their hands and greed in their hearts.  You can't help but blame my Longhorns.  The state is oil rich and the aggies get less that TEXAS' Horns.  Texas is state that give the nation shows like Dallas, Texas Rich or Rich Texas, Most Eligible Dallas Snobs or whatever that is called.  It's reality TV and the reality is that no one is going to watch the Real Houswives of Norman, or The Dating Among the Rich in College Station.  Is there a series based in Nebraska?  The money is south and for now it is in Texas.  If you hate that then please don't elect anyone to follow in the footsteps of LBJ, G. Bush, W. Bush, to the White House.  Yes, don't let Texans use their influence and money to elect Rick Perry.  He is both a spoiled Texan and an Aggie and all politician.  So keep blaming the LHN which by the way is a total joke, or blame Mack or DeLos or whomever, but it is money.  The Okies want more, the aggies want more, everyone wants more.   The University of Texas is a brand that sells even if the football team is not battling for the NC.  And since UT has more, can get more, and knows how to market itself, we will continue to be the bully you dislike.  We don't always mean to be so brash.  It comes with the oil rich territory.




Since: Sep 14, 2011
Posted on: September 14, 2011 7:49 pm
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

Did Texas ever consider the demise of the Big Twelve Conference their fault????  Long Horn Network?????  Texas greed has caused this situation.  First it was Nebraska and Colordao and next it will be  Texas A.&M. ,Oklahoma and Oklahoma State.  Good bye to Texas and the BIG Twelve Conference.  Hope you find someone who wants you. 



Since: Apr 26, 2007
Posted on: September 14, 2011 7:06 pm
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

Texas did propose a conference network, but their conference mates weren't interested.  Then they proposed a Texas netowrk with A&M -- and again the Aggies declined.


I would love to hear where there was a discussion of a Big 12 network, likely worth millions of dollars to every school in the conference, and see that 11 of 12 schools weren't interested.  If you are referrning to Big 12 contracts with FSN and ABC/ESPN, those do exist for the Big 12, are expiring soon and are a complete and utter insult to the conference, compared to what the other three big conferences are getting (Pac 12, Big 10, and SEC).  So there was a meager attempt to align the conference to it's own network, but when Texas saw the dollar signs and schools like Colorado and Nebraska bolting for greener pastures, they left the rest of the Big 12 behind.  Once they announced the deal, they went around to the rest of the conference, trying to ensure that they weren't getting any better of a deal than the rest. 

You can homer all you want about the Longhorn Network, the school knows it screwed over the rest of the Big 12, now they are pointing fingers of shame at everyone else to try and save face. 




Since: Sep 6, 2006
Posted on: September 14, 2011 6:41 pm
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

Oklahoma is no where near a decision as of today. 

Don't believe everything you read... OU out of the Big12 is a done deal.

Larry Scott and the Pac 12 likely will not take the Oklahoma Schools without Texas

You must be a Longhorn fan to believe this one, what's with these massively inflated ego's in Austin? UT is a great school with a great football team but wow... you guys all make it sound like no other Big12 team is capable of surviving without the mighty UT holding their hands. At this point in time it might, just might be the other way around. 

Or SEC withdraws it's invitation and Texas A&M stays

You're clearly out of the loop on this one Chimera. To start with the SEC has made it clear they want A&M and there is no way they withdraw the offer. A&M has also made it clear they are out of the Big12, even if it means going independent for a year. 
 



Since: Sep 6, 2006
Posted on: September 14, 2011 6:35 pm
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

Heck, Texas A&M was even invited to be part of it.

Depends on who you want to believe, Dodds says they did, Byrne says that never happened. I'm sure all the horns fans will say the invite happened and Aggies will say it didn't, doesn't really amount to a hill of beans either way since it's a very small part of the pie that has exploded in the face of the Big12 causing the mass exodus.



Since: Sep 14, 2011
Posted on: September 14, 2011 5:45 pm
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

OU's board will formally vote on Monday 9/19 to authorize Pres. Boren to apply to the PAC-12.

As soon as Texas A&M is formally accepted into the SEC w/o any legal conditions pending, or the SEC just says they'll take their chances and remove the condional, Boren will submit formal PAC-12 application.

Larry Scott DOES have the necessary votes to accept OU & OSU w/o regard for any other schools. If you don't want to believe this, then don't, but you will SOONER or later.

While the PAC would like to have Texas & TTech fill spots #15 & #16, if Texas says no, then the invites will probably go to Kansas & Missouri (if MO is avail).

I personally believe there is plenty of blame to go around on this one, with yes, Texas having the lion's share. However, Neb, Missouri, and my fav OU, have some blood on their hands as well (IMHO). Not going into details to bash any of the above.

All that is now immaterial.

I hope Texas goes with OU to PAC. If they don't, it sounds like the ACC will be their home unti around 2014-2015.

The SEC will take WVU form the BE for #14.

The ACC will be raided by the SEC for FSU for #15. If they don't get Missouri, then the ACC will lose a 2nd school for #16. 

Any questions?
 


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