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Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

Posted on: September 13, 2011 12:40 pm
Edited on: September 14, 2011 11:26 am
 
Posted by Jerry Hinnen

We can't personally vouch for the credibility of the Austin-American Statesman's sources. But if the picture portrayed by those sources in this story by Kirk Bohls and Alan Trubow is at all accurate, the day of reckoning for the Big 12 is just about at hand.

According to the report -- and as also reported by CBSSports.com's Dennis Dodd -- University of Texas president Bill Powers and athletic director DeLoss Dodds flew to Oklahoma Sunday for a meeting with Sooners officials. Powers' and Dodds' aim, according to Bolhs and Trubow: convince Oklahoma (and by association, joined-at-the-hip in-state rival Oklahoma State) to remain in the Big 12 and forgo applying for membership in the Pac-12.

But according to the report's sources, the Sooners' minds were -- and are -- already made up. They're looking West:
"There's nothing Texas could have offered Oklahoma that would have changed their mind. They were set on leaving the Big 12 before Texas got there," a well-placed source at a Big 12 school said, adding that Sunday's meeting had a very friendly and cooperative tone. "The Big 12's done. Oklahoma wasn't open to creating Big 12 stability" ...

"Texas must have come into the meeting and seen the handwriting on the wall," said a source close to OU and Texas who is familiar with these realignment issues. "I think OU and OSU will seek membership to the Pac-12 in the next two weeks, but [Texas] A&M comes first."
Despite the Sooners' and Cowboys' intentions, even the report isn't ready to move the realignment chess pieces just yet. While the Oklahoma and Oklahoma State move is "expected," Larry Scott -- who has said repeatedly the Pac-12 doesn't want to expand at this time -- and the Pac-12 presidents could reject the Sooners' and Cowboys' applications.

But assuming Scott does pull the trigger, Texas would be left without a viable conference as the Big 12 crumbles. Per the report, their options at that stage would be to follow the Oklahoma schools to the Pac-12 (or -14), apply to join the ACC, or go independent--and the report claims Texas officials have already had highly preliminary talks with the ACC.

While independence is described as the least appealing option for Dodds and Texas officials, the Longhorn Network could be a major stumbling block for joining one of the other conferences. According to Bohls and Trubow, "Texas has no desire to part, alter or share any aspect of The Longhorn Network, but it would not be able to retain the network as is in the Pac-12." The Longhorns are also reportedly balking at the Pac-12's plan for divisional alignments in a 16-team scenario.

So what's the bottom line right now? With the Statesman report backing the widespread rumors that the Sooners are ready to pack their bags, it seems safe to assume that Oklahoma is indeed bent on abandoning the Big 12 and concluding its viability as a conference. But past that? Every other conference realignment chip is still in the air, and it remains anybody's guess where they fall.

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Comments

Since: Jul 30, 2010
Posted on: September 14, 2011 5:24 pm
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

Interesting..... Please cite the reference for the discussion of a conference network?  I would assume that profit sharing might have been a real issue there.  I'm also pretty sure that Nebraska under Osborne's leadership, nor Texas A&M, was ever quoted as stating "fine, go ahead". 
No help from anyone?  Please cite any negotiations or offers from Texas to Oklahoma to "share" a network.  Seems strange, given the fact that the Sooners have been repeatedly stating they are working toward their own network. 

Do you pull this stuff straight off Orangebloods.com, or do you read it out of the Dallas Morning News?

Texas has brokered a significant amount of power ever since the SWC combined with the Big 8. 

Its not that we should blame Texas.  They didn't do anything wrong.  Its just got to be really frustrating to Dodds, Brown, and the Longhorn Nation that they are watching their power-base leave in front of them, and even with $30M a year from ESPN, they can't do a thing about it!

Where's the beef?




Since: Jul 30, 2010
Posted on: September 14, 2011 5:13 pm
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

Joemamacita,
Your response seems very well thought, but I am still confused.  So basically, you are stating on a topic focused on OU leaving the Big 12 that a program that already travels throughout the US most of their schedule will face a hardship because they are losing their affiliation with Iowa State?  Nebraska is gone, OU leaving the Big 12 no longer affects their affiliation, correct?

I was a college athlete at OU, track and cross country.  We traveled primarily on the weekends, granted.  I just don't see a significant focus on Big 12 competition within the "minor" sports, so I am confused how affiliation with the Big 12 would substantially increase travel/focus.
If the Pac 12 only has 3 wrestling schools, travel to Oregon State, Stanford, and ASU wouldn't appear to be much more of a hardship than traveling out to Las Vegas one day, back the following evening, correct?

Change is difficult.



Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: September 14, 2011 4:55 pm
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

The future demise of the Big 12 lies solely at the feet of Texas.  I am certain that they had the opportunity to step up and say to the rest of the conference, "Let's make our own network and be like the other big conferences!", and everyone would have been all-in.  Texas chose their path, and they have no one to blame but themselves for their current and future situation. 

You are utterly and completely wrong. Otherwise, nice post.  Texas did propose a conference network, but their conference mates weren't interested. Then they proposed a Texas network with A&M -- and the Aggies declined.   They then announced that they were going to start the Longhorn Network on their own - with no help from anyone.  Their conference mates all said fine, go ahead.    Then ESPN offered $300 million for the network.  And all hell broke loose.

Blame ESPN. Blame the other schools for being deaf, dumb and blind to the network ideas when they were proposed.

No, don't do that.  Just be a parrot and blame Texas.  Cool!







Since: Apr 26, 2007
Posted on: September 14, 2011 4:46 pm
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

The inept schools, as you put it, depend on the big schools to get attention for everyone in the conference.  In the Big 10, it was Michigan and Ohio State for quite some time.  Then Penn State joined in and Wisconsin, Iowa and MSU put together a little something, the whole while the Conference worked together the to develop their network.  No one school makes up the Big 10, much like Texas does not make up the Big 12.  Without teams like A&M, Tech, KSU, OU or OSU, Texas would not be where it is right now.  The future demise of the Big 12 lies solely at the feet of Texas.  I am certain that they had the opportunity to step up and say to the rest of the conference, "Let's make our own network and be like the other big conferences!", and everyone would have been all-in.  Texas chose their path, and they have no one to blame but themselves for their current and future situation. 

In 10 years, if Texas is independent, which I am betting they will be, look for them to follow in the footsteps of ND, over-hyped and maginally talented.  It used to be cool to be independent in college football, it isn't cool anymore.  I have a feeling ND is waiting for their NBC contract to expire, then look for them to jump ship to the Big 10 so they can remain relevant. 



Since: Sep 6, 2011
Posted on: September 14, 2011 4:21 pm
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

And Notre Dame is soooo relevant in College Football these days!!!!!!!!





Since: Aug 9, 2010
Posted on: September 14, 2011 4:03 pm
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

CBS Sports and Dodd need to update this report.  Oklahoma is no where near a decision as of today.  Further whatever the "Source" was, didn't speak for the school.  Just a person's opinion, wishful thinking, or promoting their agenda.

Larry Scott and the Pac 12 likely will not take the Oklahoma Schools without Texas.  On their own, they don't provide a furtile recruting base, small tv market, and works against Scott's vision for East/West  divisions with the West being the old Pac 8. 

Everyone is posturing right now.  Texas would never go to the ACC.  SEC would not take Oklahoma schools.  Yes, Texas and Texas A&M's reaction created this mess.  Now Texas must clean it up.  In the end, Big 12 survives for a few more years and recruits BYU and two more out of Houston/SMU/TCU.  Or SEC withdraws it's invitation and Texas A&M stays, in which case Big 12 still invites BYU and invites one more.

 



Since: Dec 3, 2006
Posted on: September 14, 2011 3:57 pm
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

I don't understand where some of you get your information. The SWC broke up because of the following reasons:
0. SMU and Rice declined in importance as TV markets with the arrival of NFL football in Dallas and Houston respectively.
1. SMU got the death penalty.
2. Arkansas left the SWC in 1990 to pursue their dreams of being in a richer conference that had much more TV coverage and reach.
3. Texas and Texas A&M left the SWC in 1996 to join the Big 8.

Where do you get off thinking that Texas broke the SWC? If anything, it was Arkansas that was the catalyst to change.

The current crisis could be laid at the feet of Texas. But it is as much Texas' fault as it is the fault of all the other inept schools who didn't have the cajones or the product to go out and get a network of their own. This is exactly like all those bums (independent of their races) living in ghettos raging about how the man has suppressed them. Is Texas trying to stop your schools from getting a TV contract? Heck, Texas A&M was even invited to be part of it. Nebraska explored having their own network before deciding that it was better to ride on the coat-tails of the Big 10. All of you raging on Texas right now, you are pseduo-communist hypocrites.



Since: Apr 26, 2007
Posted on: September 14, 2011 3:15 pm
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

It amazes me the level of importance the U of Texas seems to hold itself in.  Instead of working towards a TV contract for the Big 12, which would have united the conference and brought in outsiders to fill the gap Nebraska left (good of the many), it signs an exclusive deal with ESPN, and alienates the rest of the conference.  Then it is "disappointed" in A&M, OU and co-hort OSU for jumping ship?  Are you kidding me?  Texas' greed has bought themselves into NCAA independents world.  No major conference is going to accept them without a cut of their pie, which they aren't sharing.  No way Texas goes to a non-auto BCS conference.  Texas has killed the Big 12.  They could have saved it, but greed wins out over what may have been best for collge sports.  Way to go Texas, by the way, you are not that important.



Since: Oct 20, 2006
Posted on: September 14, 2011 3:02 pm
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

The programs put in place begining in 1933(my mistake) began rectifying the mistakes of the previous republican scum.  The socialistic system put in place continued to reap rewards after Nixon started tearing it down in 1968 Till the mid-1970's.  Policy changes don't result in instant change.  Suprise, suprise. 

No one is dumb enough to think of U.S.S.R. as socialist, any more than the Nazi party was democratic, despite the ominous presense of these words in the name of the country or party.  A blend of Socialism and Capitalism has always proven to be the most successful economic system in the post World War One era.  A fact missed ofcourse by people dumb enough to support Michsmell Bachmann, Rich Perry or that Alaskan Broad.  High taxes and a subsequent redistribution of wealth has consistently led to the best economic times in the U.S. History.  Even Repubicrat Clinton tiny increase in income taxes resulted the economic boom that the Bush Crime family destroyed.



Since: Jul 31, 2008
Posted on: September 14, 2011 2:57 pm
 

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

Joemamacita,
Confusing comment..... OU wrestling current schedule includes trips to NY 11/12 & 11/13, Phoenix 11/18, Las Vegas 12/3 & 12/4, and Illinois 12/29 & 12/30.... None of these appear to be conference events, and are selective.  So why the concern now?  1-2 day trips to major populated cites accross the US seem not only to be viable, they actually seem to be a preference of the program.

Am I missing something?
I think you are missing something.  The above is last year's schedule btw.....but, in any event the wrestling team already had a different travel schedule.   And that's not about preference, it's because not all schools have wrestling teams.  There are now only 3 Big 12 schools with wrestling teams....OU, OSU and Iowa State.  There were 4 before Nebraska left for the Big 10. 

So, for OU (or any other school) to fill out its dual schedule, it has to travel.  Not sure, but I think only 3 Pac 12 schools have wrestling teams....Oregon State, Stanford and Arizona State.  They fill out their schedule with an affiliate type of arrangement with schools like Boise State, UC-Davis, Cal Poly, etc. 

Also, the events above in NY, Vegas and Illinois are not dual matches, they are invitational tournaments. 


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