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Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

Posted on: September 13, 2011 12:40 pm
Edited on: September 14, 2011 11:26 am
Posted by Jerry Hinnen

We can't personally vouch for the credibility of the Austin-American Statesman's sources. But if the picture portrayed by those sources in this story by Kirk Bohls and Alan Trubow is at all accurate, the day of reckoning for the Big 12 is just about at hand.

According to the report -- and as also reported by's Dennis Dodd -- University of Texas president Bill Powers and athletic director DeLoss Dodds flew to Oklahoma Sunday for a meeting with Sooners officials. Powers' and Dodds' aim, according to Bolhs and Trubow: convince Oklahoma (and by association, joined-at-the-hip in-state rival Oklahoma State) to remain in the Big 12 and forgo applying for membership in the Pac-12.

But according to the report's sources, the Sooners' minds were -- and are -- already made up. They're looking West:
"There's nothing Texas could have offered Oklahoma that would have changed their mind. They were set on leaving the Big 12 before Texas got there," a well-placed source at a Big 12 school said, adding that Sunday's meeting had a very friendly and cooperative tone. "The Big 12's done. Oklahoma wasn't open to creating Big 12 stability" ...

"Texas must have come into the meeting and seen the handwriting on the wall," said a source close to OU and Texas who is familiar with these realignment issues. "I think OU and OSU will seek membership to the Pac-12 in the next two weeks, but [Texas] A&M comes first."
Despite the Sooners' and Cowboys' intentions, even the report isn't ready to move the realignment chess pieces just yet. While the Oklahoma and Oklahoma State move is "expected," Larry Scott -- who has said repeatedly the Pac-12 doesn't want to expand at this time -- and the Pac-12 presidents could reject the Sooners' and Cowboys' applications.

But assuming Scott does pull the trigger, Texas would be left without a viable conference as the Big 12 crumbles. Per the report, their options at that stage would be to follow the Oklahoma schools to the Pac-12 (or -14), apply to join the ACC, or go independent--and the report claims Texas officials have already had highly preliminary talks with the ACC.

While independence is described as the least appealing option for Dodds and Texas officials, the Longhorn Network could be a major stumbling block for joining one of the other conferences. According to Bohls and Trubow, "Texas has no desire to part, alter or share any aspect of The Longhorn Network, but it would not be able to retain the network as is in the Pac-12." The Longhorns are also reportedly balking at the Pac-12's plan for divisional alignments in a 16-team scenario.

So what's the bottom line right now? With the Statesman report backing the widespread rumors that the Sooners are ready to pack their bags, it seems safe to assume that Oklahoma is indeed bent on abandoning the Big 12 and concluding its viability as a conference. But past that? Every other conference realignment chip is still in the air, and it remains anybody's guess where they fall.

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Since: Oct 20, 2006
Posted on: September 14, 2011 2:53 pm

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

Are you against roads and public education dumbie.

Since: Jul 30, 2010
Posted on: September 14, 2011 2:01 pm

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

Confusing comment..... OU wrestling current schedule includes trips to NY 11/12 & 11/13, Phoenix 11/18, Las Vegas 12/3 & 12/4, and Illinois 12/29 & 12/30.... None of these appear to be conference events, and are selective.  So why the concern now?  1-2 day trips to major populated cites accross the US seem not only to be viable, they actually seem to be a preference of the program.

Am I missing something?

Since: Oct 29, 2009
Posted on: September 14, 2011 1:50 pm

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

 I wish OU would come to the SEC and let Texas A&M go to the PAC 12. Oklahoma will dominate the PAC 12 but they will only be juat another SEC powerhouse in the mix.

Since: Jun 28, 2009
Posted on: September 14, 2011 1:48 pm

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

Whiskeygirl er boy, take your socialism and get the f### out of America. We don't want socialism and never will we have it. Go live in Europe you friggin flake.
A little late for that. Any social program is by its nature at least partly socialist, and the military is the biggest socialist program of them all.

As for the suggestion by someone that the NCAA should step in to do something, keep dreaming. The NCAA lost its grip on major college football the day Oklahoma and Georgia won their lawsuit (1983?) to end the NCAA's monopoly over TV contracts, and the balance has been shifting ever since. The BCS, ESPN and Fox run the business end of college football today.

Since: May 1, 2011
Posted on: September 14, 2011 1:37 pm

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

All this conference reshuffling is fine if you're a football player who is only in college to try to make it to the pros, but what if you're a wrestler or a volleyball player. Now you're supposed to fly to the east coast from Texas once or twice a week for a one hour match or game? This is ridiculous. There is nothing amateur left in Division I college football. It's a business and a big one at that. Time to separate it from the rest of college athletics.

Since: Jul 30, 2010
Posted on: September 14, 2011 1:33 pm

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

Great post UT fan.  OU is not the reason for the disbanding of the previous Big 12.  It lies within the relations of OU, Texas, Nebraska, and A&M.  The initial blow may have been the separation of conferences and loss of the OU/Nebraska rivalry.  However, the Longhorn network drove the nail in the coffin. 

I hope the RedRiver rivalry continues, but have significant doubt. 

Thanks for the candidness and honesty in the post.

Since: Sep 14, 2009
Posted on: September 14, 2011 1:22 pm

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

I'd like to speak as a UT Alum and fan. I wish I could defend UT but I can't. We became the 700 lb goriila and started getting everything we wanted. We wanted more money and we got, we wanted our own network and we got it. In and of itself not a bad thing, but the problem is not everybody likes it. There is nothing wrong with wanting, but wanting too much is and then not sharing, that's even worse. As smart as all these people claim to be, Brown, Dodd and Power, they should have realized when they were reaching a tipping point. Problem is the tipping point came about four years ago when started pissing off Nebraska and A&M.  We got greedy with money and power. UT never stopped realized that just because they could didn't mean they should.
We have started down a road which will lead to the death of the Big VII  and UT will either end up with the Pac-12 (16), that is my hope, at another conference or as an idenpendent. We have no one to blame but ourselves.

Since: Apr 14, 2011
Posted on: September 14, 2011 1:19 pm

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

I like the idea of the Big Se7en or the B7G.  However, Texas should enjoy its new found freedom and major coup with its exclusive Longhorn Network.  Because of their exclusive television deals, Texas and Notre Dame should form their own conference and play each other twice a year with a third final championship game.  They could call their new conference the Ultimate Two (UT) or the National Division (ND).

R.I.P. Big 12.  We hardly knew you.

Since: Nov 3, 2009
Posted on: September 14, 2011 1:18 pm

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

UT is a college cancer.  It destroys everything it touches and there is no cure.

Since: Jul 30, 2010
Posted on: September 14, 2011 1:17 pm

Report: Oklahoma wants out and Big 12 is 'done'

Confused about the OKC concern regarding the PAC-12 move.  Texas doesn't travel to OKC.  OSU will continue.  Road games have minimal impact regarding bringing in revenue and would continue if they did.  Having been on OU ticket holder for 10 years, I can't imagine the elimination of travel revenue generated by KU, KSU, Baylor, and Iowa State would exert fear into the city.  The excitement generated by USC, UCLA, Oregon, Oregon State, etc. playing home games at Norman would likely be amazing for awhile (OU sells out games to OU fans, not visiting teams).  The only true arguement would likely be rental and bussing companies that currently "package" deals for fans to travel, otherwise the money is spent outside OKC anyway.  Is there some assumption that when OU travels to Lawrence, significant OKC revenue is generated?

Regarding Texas, hope we (OU) retain the rivalry.... But as Bob Stoops says, its truly not "necessary" to retain the quality of the program.  Home and home games with Pac 12 programs of equal or greater historical success will likely suffice.

Sorry Longhorn fans, but it looks like the program valuation came in a bit below internal book figures!

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