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Report: Schools want Syracuse & Pitt gone soon

Posted on: September 22, 2011 12:06 pm
Edited on: September 22, 2011 12:07 pm
Posted by Chip Patterson

In the most recent episode of the Emmy Award-winning drama Conference Realignment, the Big East leadership emerged from a three-hour meeting in New York City with plans to "aggressively" pursue replacements for Syracuse and Pittsburgh.

The message from the conference has been a plan to hold the two departing schools to the 27-month withdrawal period required in the conference by-laws. However, according to a Sporting News report some of the Big East's current members would like to see the two programs leave "as soon as possible."

Part of Marinatto's "aggressive" plans for replacement reportedly includes extending football-only invitations to Navy and Air Force. The conference's membership still includes their seven non-football schools, and adding the service academies to the gridiron slate would be an easy transition. Other suggested moves for expansion include looking towards Conference USA, where schools like UCF, Houston, and ECU have expressed interest in joining the Big East.

A big piece of Tuesday's meeting was also getting TCU athletic director Chris Del Conte on board with the future of the conference. TCU is scheduled to move to the Big East in 2012, but the threat of violent realignment in the college football landscape had the school's leadership nervous about the future of the conference. For the Big East to remain attractive to the BCS, a perennial contender like TCU will be a necessary component.

But regardless of when Syracuse and Pittsburgh leave, it does seem as though the realignment shift has begun to slow - at least for the moment. The Pac-12 expressed no interest in expanding at this time, and it does not appear that the Big Ten has any desire to either. With Texas and Oklahoma recommitting themselves to the Big 12 under new leadership, it is likely that Missouri will not be making any moves to the East anytime soon.

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Since: Mar 18, 2008
Posted on: September 22, 2011 9:47 pm

Report: Schools want Syracuse & Pitt gone soon

okay here is what I think should happen....It is a bit out there but hear me out...ACC goes to 20 total all sports teams...They bring in UCONN, Rutgers, West Virginia, Penn State, ND and one more (maybe Temple or Louisville or South Florida).  Big East becomes a basketball conference...left over Big East football schools go to Conference USA (or in the case of TCU to the Big 12).  Split in a North and South Division:

North:  BC, UCONN, Syracuse, Temple, Penn State, Pitt, ND, Rutgers, West Virginia, Maryland
South: Virginia, V Tech, UNC, Duke, NC State, Wake Forest, Clemson, Ga Tech, FSU, Miami

Play everyone on your side every year (9 games) plus 2 games from the other side revolving through all the teams in a 5 year play 1 AA game each year games (and you can probably safely assume NCAA goes to 13 regular season games at some point)...The old eastern independents reestablish their rivalries as does the old ACC (except Maryland which is a little messy but that is okay).  If the SEC comes and picks 2-4 teams (probably from the South..likely candidates being FSU, Clemson, Ga Tech or VA Tech) you re-organize North and South.  Does it hurt cross conference rivalries?  yeah kind of but who says you must play a 1 AA...and let's remember each "side" has its good teams and "bad" always bugs me when schools feel that playing a "league" game against a perenially weak football school that it is harder than playing say 1 of the service academies...Interested in what you all think


Since: Aug 23, 2006
Posted on: September 22, 2011 9:45 pm

Report: Schools want Syracuse & Pitt gone soon

If the firing of Dan Beebe as commissioner of the Big 12 manages to solidify the remaining schools in the conference then they will be looking to expand the conference from 9 times (next year, there are 10 teams this year but TAMU is leaving to join the SEC) back to 12 teams.  In looking for potential teams to join the Big 12 to restore the conference to 12 teams I know that the Big 12 is going to be looking at TCU as a good potential member.  Although TCU is already part of the very large quantity of schools in the Big 12 who are located in the State of TX these teams are regional with Baylor & Texas Tech sharing west Texas, Austin dominated by UT, the mid-central part of the state dominated by A&M until they leave the conference could use a south Texas school and a north Texas school.  If I were the Big 12 I would extend invitations to TCU and if they decline I would invite SMU, yes I know that SMU's program is far below that of any Big 12 school but young people forget that SMU was one of the very best programs in the country until they were handed the NCAA's death penalty and by the time that the program had recovered nearly 15 years had passed - an argument can be made that to this day the program has not recovered because they are in Conference USA and not in one of the BCS automatic qualifying conferences.  If I'm the Big 12 I do not extend offers for both TCU and SMU to join the conference because you do not want two schools from the same television market.

If I'm the Big 12 the second team that I extend an invitation to is Houston to capture the Houston tv market lost when TAMU leaves the conference.  

After invitations are made to two Texas schools the conference needs to look outside of it's traditional borders and extend invitations to programs that are either already elite within a bad conference or who are independent.  The question is - which schools should be extended offers and would any of the elite programs in conferences like the Big East or Big 10 consider moving to the Big 12 to help restore the conference to 12 teams or higher. 

I can see why the Big East members are pissed off at Pitt and Syracuse for bolting on the conference but I can also see the opposing side because aside from WVU and a couple of the other all-sports members of the Big East Pitt & Syrcause are the only remaining "football dominant" schools.  I wonder if the loss of Pitt and Syracuse will affect the Big East's status as a BCS automatic qualifier?  Let's open up that debate - I'm interested in hearing the agruments from both sides on that topic!      

Since: Nov 10, 2006
Posted on: September 22, 2011 9:38 pm

Report: Schools want Syracuse & Pitt gone soon

The more I think about it, I'm with you, Who Dey!  There's a price to pay for selling yourself and Pitt and Cuse will have to pay.  Give them a two year farewell tour, nothing but road games except for DePaul, Seton Hall, and South Florida.  Of course, Louisville doesn't mind playing Syracuse in the Carrier Dome- the Cards can handle the Orange no matter where we play!

Since: Aug 30, 2008
Posted on: September 22, 2011 9:38 pm

Report: Schools want Syracuse & Pitt gone soon

Hire Dan Beebe.  He's sure to get the conference stable.  He's done wonders for the Big 12!!

Since: Nov 15, 2006
Posted on: September 22, 2011 9:35 pm

Report: Schools want Syracuse & Pitt gone soon

In what world is Louisville considered a top 2 basketball team in the Big East? HA!

Since: May 20, 2008
Posted on: September 22, 2011 9:30 pm

Report: Schools want Syracuse & Pitt gone soon

I don't want Pitt and Syracuse gone ASAP. If we have to suffer then they have to suffer as long as they can. Stick to your guns and do the smart thing for once Marinatto and make sure they spend the entire 27 months here, even count down to the last second and the last penny so they know there are sonsequenses for their actions

Since: Nov 10, 2006
Posted on: September 22, 2011 9:20 pm

Report: Schools want Syracuse & Pitt gone soon

If the ACC simply wanted two schools primarily to boost their image for basketball, they would have invited the top two basketball programs in the BE: UConn and Louisville.  If they wanted to improve their conference in football- which should have been their goal considering their pathetic 1-10 record in BCS Bowl games over the last decade- they would have invited WVU and South Fla.  You're just fooling yourself if you don't see that.  In fact, TCU and Houston would be a huge improvement over Pitt and Syracuse in football.  Ideally, you keep everyone together and build on what you have.  But if the ACC was set on improving their image in basketball by raiding the Big East at the expense of improving their dismal performance in football and Pitt and Syracuse was willing to go along, then let them go!!!!
With the instability that has been created now in the BE, you can't blame any school for looking out for themselves.  But the BE will always set the standard for best basketball conference from top to bottom and the ACC will remain the most pathetic excuse for a football conference until even Florida State, Va Tech and/or Clemson decide its $20M not to stick around anymore. 

Since: Sep 22, 2011
Posted on: September 22, 2011 9:06 pm
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Since: Dec 15, 2006
Posted on: September 22, 2011 9:03 pm

Report: Schools want Syracuse & Pitt gone soon

Your incorrect in your assessment.  This is a football move and a football move only.  Loosing some recruits, which arguably they really haven't doesn't drive acqusition...dollars do.  Football revenue exceeds basketball by an extaordinary amount

Since: Mar 2, 2010
Posted on: September 22, 2011 8:39 pm

Report: Schools want Syracuse & Pitt gone soon

I think you guys are missing the big picture. The ACC wanted these two schools for basketball purposes primarily. Sure there does seem to be a turn around in Cuse's football program and Pitt is usually pretty solid year in and year out but these two schools will instantly make the ACC the most dominant basketball conference in the country and that's what the ACC is, a basketball conference. The fact is they have fallen off a bit in the past couple of years, losing recruits to the Big East and Big Ten. This move will re-solidify there dominance once again in basketball and increase school recruiting and thus primetime network appearances leading to more money. The impact on the football conference is a distant second right now, maybe in the long run it will help but not right now.

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