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The Poll Attacks: Week 5

Posted on: October 3, 2011 6:22 pm
Edited on: October 3, 2011 6:30 pm
Posted by Bryan Fischer

The latest college football polls are out and now it's time to rip them to shreds. Senior college basketball writer Gary Parrish has been calling out voters in the major hoops polls for thinking a little bit too far outside of the box when it comes to their AP ballots every week.

With the football season starting, I thought I'd steal take the baton on the idea from my colleague and keep all of the writers across the country who vote honest. I've come to know a good number of these people through time and twitter but relationships do not matter, bad votes do.

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(Details of AP ballots courtesy of

Poll reactions: ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12, SEC

Rodney Dangerfield "No respect" team of the week: West Virginia

Everybody saw West Virginia up close two weeks ago when LSU came rolling into town for a big primetime match up. They also saw quarterback Geno Smith set a school record with 429 yards passing on 34 completions against one of the best defenses in the country. Sure, turnovers doomed the Mountaineers against the Tigers but they were still able to move the ball and made it a game before Morris Claiborne's kick return. This is an explosive offense and a solid enough defense that should be the leading contender to win the Big East. Yet they sit behind fellow one-loss teams Arkansas, Nebraska and Auburn. Considering that neither of those three lost to the highest ranked team in the land, WVU fans are right to be upset that they're behind them.

Overrated: Arkansas

  Top 10 teams generally don't fall into 18 point halftime deficits. One could argue that top 10 teams come back from 18 down but I think that's counterintuitive because, of course, good teams should be up by that much, not have to come back from it. The offensive and defensive lines are a mess, partly due to injury. Tyler Wilson has shown the offense hasn't really lost a step at the quarterback position and Ronnie Wingo/Broderick Green are a nice one-two punch but none of that matters. We knew the offense was going to be good. Before the season Bobby Petrino said this was his best defense he's had since becoming head coach of the Razorbacks but the Texas A&M game proved they weren't that great after allowing five touchdowns in the first half. They're a good team but ranked too high to be in the top 10 right now.

California Craziness

A trio of voters from California (CSN Bay Area/'s Ray Ratto, San Jose Mercury News' Jon Wilner, LA Daily News' Scott Wolf) are an interesting voting block. Some would call them progressive, others would call them extreme and just about everybody else will call them crazy given their fluctuations in their ballots each week. All three are consistently in Pollspeak's group of "extreme voters" so we'll highlight the most baffling decision(s) out of each.

For the second week in a row, Wolf occupies this spot with his ballot. He's the only one to give Boise State a number one vote and has Oklahoma ranked lower than anyone as a result. Wisconsin is the lowest out of anybody too, they're 8th despite beating Nebraska 48-17. By the way, he had ranked the Cornhuskers 5th the week before so not sure how that works; beat a team you ranked in the top five by 31 and then put them behind Oklahoma State and Clemson? One loss Baylor is ahead of Texas and even 3-2 Notre Dame is in the top 25. All told he ranked five teams higher than anybody, had undefeated Illinois behind 10+ teams with a loss, included SMU in the poll but not Texas A&M and, oh yeah, had Florida State in the top 12.

What were you thinking? One vote teams

Dear coaches: I understand why you don't reveal your ballots for the poll from week-to-week. I know because one of you gave Ohio State a top 25 vote. You obviously have not watched the Buckeyes recently, since they're 108th in total offense, 91st in scoring and 104th in sacks allowed. They had 35 yards rushing against Michigan State last week. For the AP voters, there are plenty of one-vote rebels but at least we know their names. Here they are: Joe Giglio (Tennessee), Desmond Conner (Pitt), Ira Schoffel (Cincinnati). Three people also gave Penn State votes and four gave USC votes, proving they haven't seen the Nittany Lions on offense or the Trojans on defense.

Team bias

Our tech team at is pretty awesome and came up with this neat tool to take a look at team and region bias in the AP Poll. Check it out below, it's a fun thing to play around with.

Since: Dec 2, 2011
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Since: Feb 27, 2011
Posted on: October 4, 2011 5:45 pm

The Poll Attacks: Week 5

So, you rag on the AP poll but not every other poll.. Look at the CBS computer poll. That is a joke too. Anyone can see who the best are and are not. Boise State given a number 1 vote is beyond stupid. Alabama is a beast ( not even a Tide fan can see that), LSU is a beast and better without Jordan Jefferson ( not an LSU fan either), Oklahoma can rack up offense. There are too many good teams and too many deserved teams to have Boise St. or any other wannabe big time program in the top 5.

Since: Oct 1, 2007
Posted on: October 4, 2011 4:33 pm

The Poll Attacks: Week 5

Man, I'm not a Penn State fan but I'm definitely a Paterno fan.  I think that JoePa is having a down year with an offense that is completely lackluster.  Maybe I'm wrong but I feel that Coach Paterno has earned the right to another season to make adjustments before the AD at PSU makes an adjustment.  

Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: October 4, 2011 11:56 am

The Poll Attacks: Week 5

I want to smoke whatever the three idiots who voted PSU into the top 25.  Sadly as a Lion's fan, I say that this team is totally unwatchable.  Inept on offense is a complete understatement. While I think JoePa is a great ambassador of college sports its really time for him to go, and take his incompetant son Jay with him. Joe, put the program ahead of your own selfish interests and enjoy the twilight of your life with your family and friends.  Perhaps help the university in some other capacity, just not coaching football.

Since: Dec 23, 2006
Posted on: October 4, 2011 8:17 am

The Poll Attacks: Week 5

And why does anyone have to vote with "honesty"?  Did something change?  Is the AP poll part of the BCS formula?  I didn't think it was...and if it's not, then who cares whether the writers are voting with "honesty"?  Vote however you want.  Plus, you're assuming they aren't voting with honesty merely because you don't agree with their vote...that doesn't make much sense either.

Since: Dec 23, 2006
Posted on: October 4, 2011 8:14 am

The Poll Attacks: Week 5

They beat Georgia on the road...if Georgia is nobody, then we should be discounting that part of the SEC schedule for every team that will face UGA in conference this season...10-4.

Since: Oct 17, 2010
Posted on: October 4, 2011 3:40 am

The Poll Attacks: Week 5

Even if your a fan of a team does'nt mean you have to be dishonest. It's your responsiblity to rank the teams and if it is shown you cannot be somewhat within the relem of reality, you should be removed. Thats why teams have to show their dominance by kicking the other team in the dirt. Boise should'nt even be in the top 15 they did'nt play anybody yet and start the season ranked higher than last year. They were not impressive wins either. Wisconsin, LSU, OK ect. would kick them in the dirt 50 to 10 , well maybe they get 10. START VOTING WITH HONESTY!

Since: Dec 2, 2007
Posted on: October 3, 2011 10:07 pm

The Poll Attacks: Week 5

I agree that WVU is not getting the respect that they deserve in the rankings at #16 and Arky is getting way too much respect for beating an ATM team that has shown 2 weeks in a row that they can't finish a game.  Switching those 2 around would be better, but I think then Michigan, Texas, and GT would be getting snubbed.

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