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Kansas AD wants Mizzou to stay

Posted on: October 5, 2011 11:19 am
Edited on: October 5, 2011 11:47 am
Posted by Tom Fornelli

On Tuesday Missouri told the Big 12 "I love you, but I think we should see other people." Which is generally code for "I've fallen for somebody else." Now, while Missouri hasn't officially left the Big 12 just yet, I don't think there are many people who think that the school is going to stick around once it is done looking at its options.

Now, unlike Texas or Oklahoma, losing Missouri wouldn't be a deathblow for the Big 12. Although that doesn't mean there isn't at least one school that would be a bit heartbroken to see the Tigers go, and that school would be Kansas. Kansas athletic director Sheahon Zenger released a statement on Tuesday night about Missouri's decision.

"We value our long-standing conference rivalry with Missouri," Zenger said in the release. "We believe the Midwest deserves a strong conference for student-athletes, fans and alumni, and it is our desire that Missouri will stay committed — as Kansas is — to the Big 12 Conference.”

I've got some bad news, Kansas. They won't.

This is the one aspect of conference realignment that really hurts. As with the possibility of Texas and Texas A&M not playing anymore once the Aggies leave, odds are the rivalry between Kansas and Missouri may die as well, as Kansas basketball coach Bill Self has already alluded to, and while that's not a rivalry that receives a lot of national attention, it's a big deal between the two states.

As someone with friends who have graduated from both schools, I can assure you that they really love to hate each other, and the idea of losing that rivalry doesn't sit well with me.

Since: Mar 27, 2008
Posted on: October 5, 2011 10:40 pm

Kansas AD wants Mizzou to stay

Sometimes, there is a need to look at the facts instead of posting a idealistic interpretation, i.e. 'the quick buck.'
   This is all about Texas and their arrogance and greed, thus the Longhorn TV network $300 Million which they refuse to share, which creates a future inbalance in favor of those 'horns.'  And, the instability of the Big 12, which could either collapse completely or bring in a bunch of ringers for the rest to pound yearly. 
   MU will be stronger and richer in the new 14 team SEC.  Personally, I relish the idea of traveling to new places where I have not had opportunities.  What tradition in those stadiums. 

Since: Aug 28, 2006
Posted on: October 5, 2011 9:35 pm

Slow minded people shouldn't rush to decisions.

This nonsense, and that's exactly what it is, is going to ruin a lot of good things that are in place.  People have lost understanding of what things are really important in life, and are chasing the quick buck.  That's a horrible way to run a business, because you wind up paying for hasty mistakes over a long period of time.  I'm disappointed the Board of Curators have allowed theirselves to be sucked into this black hole of conference realignment.  It's not the great cure-all that many believe it to be.  The best move is no move.  To go to the Big 10 would be a disaster.  There has been virtually no thought given for how this will impact the athletes who have to endure this additional travel and loss of class time, and the extra expense of carting the various teams all over the courntry.  This is bad, and somebody needs to slap these decision makers awake.

Since: Nov 30, 2006
Posted on: October 5, 2011 9:07 pm

Kansas AD wants Mizzou to stay

The simple fact is Missouri and Kansas do not need to be in the same conference to maintain their salty rivalry.  Georgia and Georgia Tech don't.  Clemson and South Carolina don't.  Florida and Miami don't.  Florida State and Florida don't.  Louisville and Kentucky don't.  Missouri has a pretty salty BB rivalry going with Illinois currently, and did in FB before the Illini ran up the white flag before this season.

This article is a fallacy.  All the rivalry requires is the desire to keep scheduling each other, in or out of conference.  If they schedule it, people will show.  Rest assured, peaople will show.

Since: Sep 28, 2006
Posted on: October 5, 2011 8:30 pm

Kansas AD wants Mizzou to stay

Yep, pretty much my point.  Now the animosity between the 2 schools barely compare to the Auburn/Alabama or even Texas/TAM.  Mainly it is a battleground over Kansas City.  I grew up in Western Ks before moving to DFW area then KC.  I grew up disliking Missouri but never actually had to deal with them.  Fan base is really segregated between the two states.  Not much overlap between MU/KU, except for Kansas City.

Until moving to KC never dealt with passionate Missouri fans.  Some truly detest Kansas and claim offense over things going back to the Civil War.  The whole "Jayhawk" controversy.  Kansans also like to demonize Missouri residents for things their great great grandparents did or did not do.

What is overlooked is the fact that those first football games between the 2 schools in the 1890's brought the two fan bases together in a celebration of athletic feats.  The event was used to help heal the violence that was committed in both states.  It has evolved into something less now.

Since: Sep 13, 2011
Posted on: October 5, 2011 6:22 pm

Kansas AD wants Mizzou to stay

How would you feel if Alabama caused the break up of the SEC and Auburn was left out of the realignment.  Would the Iron Bowl be able to take place without a National Guard presence.

All hell would break loose.  I would estimate businesses would be closed, children disowned. relatives written out of wills, divorces would increase and some people would probably get killed over it.  Auburn and Alabama didn't play for 50 years because they couldn't agree on how to split the gate reciepts, if what you described above happened it would take the state legislature to withdraw funding before they would probably even start to negotiate with each other.  My guess is it would just be easier to move out of state than deal with the drama.


Since: Sep 28, 2006
Posted on: October 5, 2011 5:56 pm

Kansas AD wants Mizzou to stay

Hey SEC guy, this is more like Florida/Miami than FU/FSU.  I ask you, how come Florida refuses to play Miami, who they had a rivalry with since the first half of the last century.  How would you feel if Alabama caused the break up of the SEC and Auburn was left out of the realignment.  Would the Iron Bowl be able to take place without a National Guard presence. 

I cannot speak for the Texas sentiment, but from a KU perspective, Missouri did everything they could to leave the conference last year, prompting Nebraska to leave.  It is the way Missouri is flirting with the SEC while telling the Big 10 you're my dream date, and then settling with the Big 12.  Texas, Missouri, and the buffoon Beebe are the causes of decline of the Big 12. 

Former MU coach Norm Stewart would probably agree with Self.  Stewart never liked Kansas and probably would not have scheduled them, if they were out of conference.

Since: Sep 3, 2011
Posted on: October 5, 2011 5:30 pm

Kansas AD wants Mizzou to stay

It that all Texas and Kansas can do?
If you leave we will not play with you anymore!
Give me a break, Georgia/Ga Tech. Florida/FSU and South Carolina/Clemson are in different conferences and still manage to play each other every year in football and basketball. 

Since: Sep 13, 2011
Posted on: October 5, 2011 5:08 pm

Kansas AD wants Mizzou to stay

I really think the BIG 12 will survive in some form or fashion but if BIG 12 does not Kansas is very attractive and has many options the problem is are they willing to go to a new conference without Kansas State?  Without Kansas State you have to think that the B1G, SEC, ACC and the PAC 12 would all take a look but with the KS it is hard to pull the trigger becasue you don't get much as bang for the buck as a market.  Essentially you would be taking a new member that would take more from the pie than they would add.

Under a scenerio where the BIG 12 folds if Kansas isn't willing to go alone than the BIG East maybe the only option left avialable.  This is why Missouri is so attractive becasue they do not carry the weight of a sister school.  Oklahoma went through this with the PAC 12.  I do think the PAC 12 would have take OSU as long as they got Oklahoma and Texas (minus the LHN) but without Texas it wasn't cost effective for them. 

Since: Oct 5, 2011
Posted on: October 5, 2011 4:12 pm

Kansas AD wants Mizzou to stay

Is Kansas crying because the "Big 12" is folding and they (like Baylor) are afraid they may not be asked to join an elite conference like the SEC, ACC, or Pac 12?  They may get an invite to the B1G [add a #], but if the Big 12 does fold, the B1G [add a #] may call Texas, OK, or OSU before them. 

Since: Sep 28, 2006
Posted on: October 5, 2011 4:00 pm

Kansas AD wants Mizzou to stay

As a lifelong KU fan, I would be sad to lose the rivalry that we have with MU.  Just like I was dissappointed in losing Colorado and Nebraska.  All this may come down to television sets and such, but the rivalries and traditions built College Athletics into this multibillion dollar behemoth it is now.  At this point, I am not even angry at the schools for leaving for more certain financial footing.  Its just about the money, and the Big XII doomed itself when it failed to be proactive in expansion.

Now, as a KU fan, the best thing that could happen if Misery leaves:  MU goes to the Sec,  the Big 10 then comes calling for KU. 
Without Missouri staying that is about the only happy ending.

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