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Report: Not enough SEC votes to add Missouri yet

Posted on: October 6, 2011 10:19 am
Posted by Jerry Hinnen

According to a report from the Birmingham News, Missouri may not have the support needed to join the SEC after all.

The News's Jon Solomon reported Thursday morning that the "majority" of conference presidents and ADs would support the Tigers' application to become the league's 14th team, but that that majority "falls just short of the nine votes required" to give Missouri final approval.

According to Solomon's sources, those opposed to Missouri's membership have two points of contention. The first is that the SEC can simply "do better" than the Tigers. The other is that adding a team to the SEC West rather than East would disrupt the league's scheduling and rivalries.

The debate has reportedly led to a split between Auburn and Alabama, with the Crimson Tide opposed to Missouri's application and their in-state rivals in favor. Adding Missouri would almost certainly shift Auburn to the East division, restoring the Tigers' traditional annual rivalries with Tennessee and Florida, but potentially scuttling the Tide's yearly "Third Saturday in October" grudge match with the Volunteers. (With only one annual "cross-division" game on the schedule, Alabama couldn't play both Tennessee and Auburn with both in the East, at least not without a nine-game conference schedule.)

As noted by Solomon, Missouri's application won't be helped by an anonymous official telling the Associated Press Wednesday that the SEC would be the Tigers' second choice after the Big Ten. The public admission that Missouri might look elsewhere if the Big Ten asked them to surely won't sit well with a league that -- surely -- can find other partners that would be 100 percent committed.

So a move that looked like all but certain when the Mizzou Board of Curators voted to explore their options Tuesday now has another clear, visible hurdle in front of it. (At minimum, the SEC's plans for a 13-team 2012 season look that much closer to being set in stone.) The guess here remains that in the end, the allure of Missouri's Kansas City/St. Louis television markets will be too much for Mike Slive and the SEC to ignore (especially with the league angling for a new TV contract), and that the SEC's stability and overflowing coffers will be too much for even the Big Ten-focused Missouri officials to turn down.

But at the very least, Mizzou-to-the-SEC appears to be a deal that isn't done just yet.

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Since: Dec 27, 2008
Posted on: October 6, 2011 9:37 pm
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Since: Feb 26, 2008
Posted on: October 6, 2011 9:30 pm

Report: Not enough SEC votes to add Missouri yet

The answer to Alabama's objection is simple: move Vanderbilt to the West along with A&M and Missouri AND move Bama & Auburn to the East.  "Third Saturday in October" and Iron Bowl perserved.

Since: Sep 4, 2006
Posted on: October 6, 2011 9:20 pm

Report: Not enough SEC votes to add Missouri yet

bulldog, North Carolina is not leaving the ACC for the SEC. Virginia Tech is not likley to either. If Tech were to leave the ACC it would be for the Big Ten. Maybe FSU or Clemson but I doubt it. Neither team brings much to the table in terms of cash. Nor does Georgia Tech. Why would schools vote to take a reduced piece of the pie? Mizzou could cover the cost of admission (enough additional revenue to cover their piece of the pie) but would jump to the Big Ten if they ever decide the expand and the resulting raid on the on the Big East by the Big 12 would force Notre Dame's hand. The SEC knows this. Those that run the conference are not dumb. They know they play second fiddle to the Big Ten in terms of economics and have no chance of competing. If and when the SEC expands, they need to find a team comparable to Mizzou that they know they can count on long term. Perhaps WVU. Maybe FSU.

Since: Oct 26, 2008
Posted on: October 6, 2011 8:19 pm

Report: Not enough SEC votes to add Missouri yet

If the SEC is going to add a school as needed by adding Texas A&M, they need to look to the East for a school. In trying to keep those schools that are already in the SEC in their same East/West setup, you need a school located in the East. There are 4 that come to mind, Clemson, FSU, North Carolina, and Virginia Tech. Virginia Tech would be my last choice because it is located too far North in my opinion. North Carolina would be my 3rd choice as I do not think they are a very competitive program and would be a celler dweller in the SEC. FSU would be a good choice. They are geographically located very well for the SEC. They already have a big rivalery with Florida and are in the same recruiting grounds with Alabama, Auburn, Florida, and Georgia. My first choice would be Clemson. They have a good tradition that runs deep and have been rivals of South Carolina, Auburn, and Georgia. As a renigade choice, I would throw in Georgia Tech for the same reasons as FSU and Clemson. One needs to be added, I will be curious to see who it is.

Since: Jul 15, 2011
Posted on: October 6, 2011 7:12 pm

Report: Not enough SEC votes to add Missouri yet

Ebonyrod, I've got to disagree with you on one issue:  I just don't believe that either the B1G or the Pac12 have a problem with the SEC at 14 teams.  Fifteen would mean that they're going to 16 which would necessitate increasing both conferences, but what exactly is the problem with the SEC @ 14, and the Pac12 and B1G with twelve?

Since: Jul 15, 2011
Posted on: October 6, 2011 6:50 pm

Report: Not enough SEC votes to add Missouri yet

Well, Missouri fought for both the North and the South in the Civil War, so I guess the Missouri Yankees want to go to the B1G, and the Missouri Rebels want to go to the SEC.  Depending upon which part of the state you're in, there are two different feelings/attitudes.

Since: Oct 11, 2007
Posted on: October 6, 2011 6:44 pm

Report: Not enough SEC votes to add Missouri yet

Forgetting about money for a bit, what commonality does Missouri have with the SEC? Their culture is different and the geography only favors Arkansas. On the plus side, they are a land grant school, as are 9 of the 13 SEC members. I mention this as the original basis for a land grant school is an emphasis on agriculture, engineering , and science- along with the other fields of study.  How about the other sports such as golf, track and field, softball, etc.- can they be competitive? Can they develop ongoing rivalaries with other SEC schools? I think Virginia Tech, another land grant school, would be a beter fit in many ways, including geography and culture. Yes- I know they aren't interested, but...$$$.

Since: Aug 4, 2008
Posted on: October 6, 2011 6:23 pm

Report: Not enough SEC votes to add Missouri yet

I don’t think West Virginia would be invited to the join the Big-12. I also have reservations about Louisville. TCU make a great fit for the Big-12 as they are in the same geographical location as the rest of the Big-12 schools.

The current Big-12 commissioner has indicated he prefers to have schools that are close to each other as oppose to scattered across the nation. If he sticks with those plans then West Virginia is not at the top of the invite list.  Of course he could be over ruled by the presidents of the schools, thus you could have West Point and North Carolina having an invite to join the conference.

We must keep in mind that the Big-12 is far from an ideal conference as far as stability is concerned. When the vote for TCU vote came up Missouri did not vote.

Missouri is still looking at options and one is to leave the Big-12 for another conference. The last I heard Oklahoma was still looking at the possibility of getting an independent TV contract and a network, I am sure would be called Sooner Boomer or something to that effect.

I think Missouri would eventually become a member of the sec. The sec member schools would find enough votes once they find out the available teams to give an invite to. Missouri has the reputation. Play a schedule close to what the sec play. Patsies for an out of conference schedule and then the Big-12 conference. They would probably be a middle of the pack sec schools and occasionally having a great year.

I think they would be in the same category as Georgia,  Mississippi State and

 As much as this conference claim, its fans and alum would like for this conference to survive, everyone must put their cards on the table, come clean and share the wealth. I personally think there is still great trust issues and division within the conference. With all that is going on and Missouri still contemplating leaving the conference other programs might not consider this as a place to come to and put their trust in that they would still be a conference 2-3 years hence.
Everyone understand the big elephant in the room, however, no one appear to want to address them straight forward.

If  Missouri was to leave the conference to the sec, I think the PAC-12 would reenter the market for Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. They might include Texas Tech and Texas if Texas understand that they are a conference member and not an independent school.

I don’t believe that the PAC-12 would sit by idly as the sec and  other conferences expand. They now have a progressive commissioner.


Since: Oct 26, 2009
Posted on: October 6, 2011 6:09 pm

Report: Not enough SEC votes to add Missouri yet

Even the SEC doesn't want a school that would give a diploma to Dodd.

Since: Aug 7, 2011
Posted on: October 6, 2011 6:05 pm

Report: Not enough SEC votes to add Missouri yet

Greed is terrible bud. One of the worst attributes a person can have.

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