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Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Posted on: October 26, 2011 12:06 pm
Edited on: October 26, 2011 3:17 pm
Posted by Tom Fornelli

On Tuesday's Brett McMurphy reported that the Big 12 had invited West Virginia to join the conference in the event that Missouri left for the SEC, and that West Virginia had accepted the invitation. A report that was confirmed by multiple outlets throughout the day.

Well, this is the world of conference realigment, and in the world of conference realignment things happen and then don't happen before happening again or not. Then you wake up in an alley somewhere with no recollection of how you got there or why you're suddenly missing a kidney.

So of course there was a report on Wednesday from the West Virginia Metro News saying that the done deal may not be a done deal after all, and that Louisvillecould be replacing Missouri in the Big 12.
As of late yesterday afternoon, WVU had received a verbal invitation to the Big 12 and had accepted. Plans were in the works for a news conference Wednesday to make the announcement.

But sources say the process hit a “bump in the road” last night.  WVU was apparently notified by the Big 12 that it needed “more information” from WVU and that there would be a vote by the Big 12 Board, perhaps on Monday.

There is speculation that the “bump” was a push by Louisville.
So what's the problem? Well, it's not so much that Louisville made some kind of last minute presentation to the Big 12 or anything as much as it's the fact that the schools aren't all in agreement that West Virginia is the better choice, as Brett McMurphy documented on Wednesday.

You may remember that on Monday, while one Big 12 administrator was talking about how much better West Virginia would be for the Big 12 than Missouri, another conference administrator was of the belief that Louisville was the better choice.

I know, the fact that the members of the Big 12 don't all agree on something shocks me too.

Since: Aug 26, 2008
Posted on: October 26, 2011 4:23 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

This is much bigger than the size of Morgantown vs Louisville. WVU travels with one of the single largest fan bases, far more than Louisville, not to mention an entire State behind one school. Not to mention, they have a far greater success record in all sports and can compete year in and year out in football.  

Since: Jan 6, 2010
Posted on: October 26, 2011 4:19 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Big 10 teams won't leave their garbage conference for the ACC and ACC teams won't leave their garbage conference for the Big 10. Both conferences are garbage SEC, PAC 12, Big 12(even falling apart) are above both.

Your entire posting is truly the essence of garbage.  How long have you participated in this forum?  Bet you the garbage can lid, you are, at best, a reeking garbage wannabe with a low amateur ranking.

Since: Oct 26, 2011
Posted on: October 26, 2011 4:17 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

For vouching for a team that competed in in *cough* Conference USA, Sen. McConnell has some nerve...Senator Mitch McConnell did WVU a favor by getting involved…This Senator never planned on this leaking, and now national & local media outlets are going to hammer him for getting involved. It looks like Mitch is interfering and political favors are being done in the open. It makes him look petty, and this can certainly help Big 12 officials to vote WV over UL.

Since: Feb 18, 2008
Posted on: October 26, 2011 4:17 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

It's media market size that's the true driving force.  While "superior" programs may help WVU's case, it just gets them into the consideration.  The problem is <30K live in Morgantown ... >741K live in the greater Louisville area ... and Louisville's a lot closer to the middle of the Big 12.

Put another way:  Say you're the Big 12 conference commissioner.  Which school will provide you the ability to get better TV rights deals?  A school where the local poluation is 741K, or one where the local population is 29K but arguably with a little better set of athletic programs?

Since: Nov 7, 2006
Posted on: October 26, 2011 4:17 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

A lot of you bring up some really good points, as well as many of you who . . . don't. Wink

But here's the biggest issue. Most of you are using logic. For the most part, this isn't about what makes "cents", it's about what makes "dollars", along with a little ego.

Also, since this (thread) is obviously a Big 12 topic of discussion, and since the Big 12 is in the South, football is the leading mindset of how the alignment should look. That in itself is a driving factor in who/what/where, but people are missing the boring factors that are most important to the decision dorks, not us the sports fans. It probably takes some sort of BCS formula to calculate how much and what percentage money, politics, education, alumni, facilities, fan base, etc., go into who fits where, as well as which of these statistics is most wanted/needed by the conference to conform with the NCAA.

Just food for thought.


Since: Mar 19, 2010
Posted on: October 26, 2011 4:15 pm

Not just anybody...


...wants to snuggle up to UT, and that likely is the REAL holdup in this entire 10 or 12 team process. After all, they got the sweetheart deal for the LHN and it's not being shared at all. Lots of animosity about that for sure, is the real reason Neb, TAM, & now missery are gone to greener pastures. Can't dispute their reasoning either. Beebe was UT's boy & now gone, but I'm not sure a bunch of schools really want to go BG12. I really think they're just gonna have to take what they can get. WVU? Really? That's a friggin' 1500 mi trip. I go to Stllwater or Norman, but that's about it, 200-300 mi. Even Louisville would be an 8 hr drive. Thanks, but no thanks.

Since: Sep 5, 2011
Posted on: October 26, 2011 4:02 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

The only thing crazier than "conference realignment" is when porfessional politicians get involved in college sports.

'The New York Times reported Wednesday that U.S. Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell, a Kentucky Republican, had lobbied Big 12 officials including David Boren, the president of the University of Oklahoma and a former senator, to include Louisville in expansion plans. The Times quoted a person with direct knowledge of the plans as saying: "I think it's 50-50 right now between West Virginia and Louisville." '

I think UC, UL, and WVU to the Big12 makes sense.  The Big12 isn't perfect, but when compared to the BigEast the Big12 looks pretty good.  

Another example of a "professional politician" getting involved was immediately after the WV victory in the Fiesta Bowl vs Oklahoma, was when the WV Governor told the WVU AD "When are you going to sign Bill S.?"  We all know how that turned out.  

Since: Nov 19, 2006
Posted on: October 26, 2011 4:01 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

It would appear that two things may be holding all of this up, besides the fact that Missouri has not officially left the Big 12 as of yet, a fact to remember.  First, there is West Virginia's terrible academic record.  That is allegedly what kept them out of the ACC and SEC.  Next, Louisville is a lot closer to Big 12 Country than West Virginia is.  Louisville also has a stadium that seats 55,000, the same number or mmore than Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, and K-State.  So staduim size is no issue.  I understand why Texas is against having more than 10 teams in the Conference, but it really makes no sense at all.  The Big 12 is going to have to expand to 12 teams to keep pace with the Big 10, Pac 12, SEC (13 and counting) and ACC (14).  If three teams are 12-0 at the end of the season, and two of them win Conference Championhsip games to go 13-0, guess who is going to be odd man out during the selection process.

Since: May 20, 2008
Posted on: October 26, 2011 3:55 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

And I'm not so sure the small Nippert excuse is all that valid. Yes OU and Texas fans travel and we have PBS to have them, but the Big12 also has Kansas, K-State, Iowa St, and Baylor which the first 3 schools would be in our division. Does that warrant an immediate expansion of Nippert? No, because they don't have the huge fan numbers Texas and OU have. Nippert does need to be expanded and upgraded but not right away if we get into the Big12

Since: Oct 26, 2011
Posted on: October 26, 2011 3:52 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

If Football is driving the bus, there really is nothing to discuss. WVU is far superior, larger fanbase, travels very well, larger facilities, more national interest and better football brand.

Also, they are much mure institutiionally similar to schools such as Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Texas than Louisville.

Yes, you have to take a bus for an hr to get there. Is that really what this is all about? I believe politics are at play because there is really no other discussion.  

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