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Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Posted on: October 26, 2011 12:06 pm
Edited on: October 26, 2011 3:17 pm
 
Posted by Tom Fornelli

On Tuesday CBSSports.com's Brett McMurphy reported that the Big 12 had invited West Virginia to join the conference in the event that Missouri left for the SEC, and that West Virginia had accepted the invitation. A report that was confirmed by multiple outlets throughout the day.

Well, this is the world of conference realigment, and in the world of conference realignment things happen and then don't happen before happening again or not. Then you wake up in an alley somewhere with no recollection of how you got there or why you're suddenly missing a kidney.

So of course there was a report on Wednesday from the West Virginia Metro News saying that the done deal may not be a done deal after all, and that Louisvillecould be replacing Missouri in the Big 12.
As of late yesterday afternoon, WVU had received a verbal invitation to the Big 12 and had accepted. Plans were in the works for a news conference Wednesday to make the announcement.

But sources say the process hit a “bump in the road” last night.  WVU was apparently notified by the Big 12 that it needed “more information” from WVU and that there would be a vote by the Big 12 Board, perhaps on Monday.

There is speculation that the “bump” was a push by Louisville.
So what's the problem? Well, it's not so much that Louisville made some kind of last minute presentation to the Big 12 or anything as much as it's the fact that the schools aren't all in agreement that West Virginia is the better choice, as Brett McMurphy documented on Wednesday.

You may remember that on Monday, while one Big 12 administrator was talking about how much better West Virginia would be for the Big 12 than Missouri, another conference administrator was of the belief that Louisville was the better choice.

I know, the fact that the members of the Big 12 don't all agree on something shocks me too.
Comments

Since: May 20, 2008
Posted on: October 26, 2011 3:44 pm
 

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Paul Brown Stadium may be owned by Hamilton County, but Mike Brown STILL gets the final say as to who plays there. Otherwise, he would have had more than 4 UC games played there since it opened in 2000. THe Ohio St. University played there back in 2003 (might have year wrong), Oklahoma last year, Louisville this year, and West Virginia in November. And of all those games, only one sold out....The Ohio St. University. Yes, Oklahoma last year was ALMOST a sellout, but that's because Oklahoma fans travel VERY well. Otherwise, you would have had what you saw at the Louisville game.....45,000.

As for expanding Nippert to the east and west.....not going to happen. The ONLY way to go is UP UP and UP. And, to get to where the rest of the Big 12 is.....Nippert would have to go WAY WAY WAY up. Besides, the stadium is old and simply needs to be replaced. Problem again is....there is NOWHERE to build a new stadium.
Mike Brown has no say on who plays at PBS for the very reason that the county owns the building. He is lucky he gets the money he gets for when the Bearcats play there, and in the future I'm sure he'll demand more money and will get it. He just recently asked for more money to upgrade it and the county looked at it and said theres no reason to do so. Besides OU, Louisville, WVU, and OSU who have we played that would warrant us to play down in PBS? Thats the reason why we only have 4 games so far down there, and we still haven't played WVU there. Why do you think OSU was sold out in 2002? It's because it was an hour drive to watch the game. If we get into the Big12 and play Texas and OU every year then those fans will travel here more often and sell out.

We can and will eventually expand Nippert. Plans have already been drawn up and it calls for the press box to be dismantled putting another upperdeck there with Lux boxes. On the east side all they need to do is as you say build up up up. Heck if they really need to they can revamp the CCM building into having Lux boxes there too, I doubt it but they could. Now if worse comes to very worse the city will donate Burnett Woods and we can just build a new stadium after a decade of saving while playing in the Big12. We have a lot of options uksmithfan.



Since: Mar 19, 2010
Posted on: October 26, 2011 3:41 pm
 

More members & less $$$.

...Wild Turkey, good point. The new Fox tv deal with BG12 is based on 10 teams for 1.3 billion over 13 yrs. UT is very outspoken about the conf remaining at 10, so as to NOT have 2 div & champ game. They don't want that extra game to get to the BCS. They're getting 300million from espn for the LHN & don't need the extra $$$. The majority of the schools DO want 2 div & a champ game. The deal to "secure" the BG12 with T1 & T2 rev sharing is only for 6 yrs. Not that long for stabilty really. They're liable to go through all of this crap again in a few more yrs, & I can't see them waiting 2 plus yrs for WVU or any school for that matter. If they could get BYU, IMO would be their 1st choice. UT still brokers the power there for sure. If your favs are in the SEC, always have fun beating the crap out of missery for the satisfaction of those who will no longer have the opportunity. 



Since: Sep 1, 2011
Posted on: October 26, 2011 3:39 pm
 

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

If I were the Big 12, I'd get back to 12 teams in some combination of Louisville, West Virginia, Cincinnati, BYU and Memphis.  Yes, I know 1,000% that Memphis is crap in football right now, but it is a big city, brings Tennesse more into the recruiting equation, has a great hoops program, makes geographical sense and has the financial backing for its sports programs of FedEx.



Since: Apr 29, 2009
Posted on: October 26, 2011 3:33 pm
 

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

I say again - this is a great time to re-align college football! 

Let's be honest - there are only about 40 teams that are capable of winning a national championship because of their money and the available pool of athletes to choose from.  This does not include Louisville, Cinncinnati, Troy, Louisiana-Lafayette, Fresno State, San Diego State... I could go on and on and on.

Create a 64-team elite division, maybe using RPI like basketball.  The 64 concept would be fluid, teams like Pitt, Syracuse, Kansas State or Iowa State (the ones that ebb and flow) could fall out, while a team like Illinois (that's hot now) could roll in.  Those 64 cannot play outside the 64.  So no more Florida-Chattanooga, or Nebraska-Western Kentucky match ups.  Play some real games against real competitition.

Just a few ideas to toss out there for consideration.



Since: Sep 26, 2008
Posted on: October 26, 2011 3:29 pm
 

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Paul Brown Stadium may be owned by Hamilton County, but Mike Brown STILL gets the final say as to who plays there. Otherwise, he would have had more than 4 UC games played there since it opened in 2000. THe Ohio St. University played there back in 2003 (might have year wrong), Oklahoma last year, Louisville this year, and West Virginia in November. And of all those games, only one sold out....The Ohio St. University. Yes, Oklahoma last year was ALMOST a sellout, but that's because Oklahoma fans travel VERY well. Otherwise, you would have had what you saw at the Louisville game.....45,000.

As for expanding Nippert to the east and west.....not going to happen. The ONLY way to go is UP UP and UP. And, to get to where the rest of the Big 12 is.....Nippert would have to go WAY WAY WAY up. Besides, the stadium is old and simply needs to be replaced. Problem again is....there is NOWHERE to build a new stadium.




Since: Mar 19, 2010
Posted on: October 26, 2011 3:17 pm
 

Every time you turn the page...

Someone's putiing on a new spin. When Whitlock was here at the KC Star, he used to write the most outrageous crap you could imagine just so he would get read. Word was he was paid by copy. Think about it? The more these writers stir the pot, the more bloggers they get, the more copy for advertisers & their employers. And you saw the huge # of comments yesterday on the story of "who's better-WVU or missery?" People come out of the woodwork to call you out without any element of reproach.  I wrote 2 hrs ago that Louisville made more sense than WVU, but who really knows? WVU needs to stay in the Eastern time zone. If the NCAA gave a crap about the student athlete in all of this, they would put a stop to these insane logistics. Does WVU even have an airport with commercial flights? I heard Kevin Harlan say you have to fly to Pittsburgh & drive an hr to Morgantown. I really don't know, but it sure looks like the tail's wagin' the dog here. And the journalists are the tail (end) if you get my spin. Some say there are no ethics in that bus at all anymore, just say anything for copy. Looks like a duck to me.



Since: Jun 29, 2011
Posted on: October 26, 2011 3:15 pm
 

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Starting to look like Missouri and the Big 12 are just dragging things out as long as possible to keep them selves in the media longer. Is that any news is good news as long as it keeps people talking about you. ?
IDbronco, from what I have read it appears the the Mizzou transfer to the SEC is a done deal except for a few legal issues. Anyone knows that when attorneys get involved it can be a lengthy process. I would think they Missouri & The Big 12) want this done as quickly if not more so than you or I or the rest of college sports community. Maybe they are looking for some stimulous money. Who knows?



Since: Dec 13, 2009
Posted on: October 26, 2011 3:13 pm
 

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

i would think they would want to get back to 12 teams so they can have a champ. game so I don't see why they can't take both... though I don't think either is a good choice.  I would certainly think BYU would be their first priority if that's even possible.



Since: Jan 13, 2008
Posted on: October 26, 2011 3:12 pm
 

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Barney Sounds like he may be a Georgia fan and still bitter about that drubbing WVU put on them in the Sugar bowl a couple years ago??



Since: Aug 1, 2008
Posted on: October 26, 2011 2:57 pm
 

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Pittsburgh does not allow alcohol sales!!!! The only place alcohol can be purchased in Heinz Field during the Pitt games is in the "luxury" boxes which require a hugh donation to the University as well as the purchase of the most expensive tickets. Alcohol sales are not permitted in the other seating areas of Heinz Filed where the students and those of us that don't have big bucks sit..... 


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