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Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Posted on: October 26, 2011 12:06 pm
Edited on: October 26, 2011 3:17 pm
Posted by Tom Fornelli

On Tuesday's Brett McMurphy reported that the Big 12 had invited West Virginia to join the conference in the event that Missouri left for the SEC, and that West Virginia had accepted the invitation. A report that was confirmed by multiple outlets throughout the day.

Well, this is the world of conference realigment, and in the world of conference realignment things happen and then don't happen before happening again or not. Then you wake up in an alley somewhere with no recollection of how you got there or why you're suddenly missing a kidney.

So of course there was a report on Wednesday from the West Virginia Metro News saying that the done deal may not be a done deal after all, and that Louisvillecould be replacing Missouri in the Big 12.
As of late yesterday afternoon, WVU had received a verbal invitation to the Big 12 and had accepted. Plans were in the works for a news conference Wednesday to make the announcement.

But sources say the process hit a “bump in the road” last night.  WVU was apparently notified by the Big 12 that it needed “more information” from WVU and that there would be a vote by the Big 12 Board, perhaps on Monday.

There is speculation that the “bump” was a push by Louisville.
So what's the problem? Well, it's not so much that Louisville made some kind of last minute presentation to the Big 12 or anything as much as it's the fact that the schools aren't all in agreement that West Virginia is the better choice, as Brett McMurphy documented on Wednesday.

You may remember that on Monday, while one Big 12 administrator was talking about how much better West Virginia would be for the Big 12 than Missouri, another conference administrator was of the belief that Louisville was the better choice.

I know, the fact that the members of the Big 12 don't all agree on something shocks me too.

Since: Jun 29, 2011
Posted on: October 26, 2011 2:34 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

, Cincinnati is not an attractive option for the Big 12. They may have a decent program, but Nippert Stadium only seats 35,000, and there is no room to expand it. Heck, they can't even sell it out this year. People throw out Paul Brown Stadium as an alternative, but that has backfired. UC hosted Oklahoma last year at PBS, and the game only had 50,000 in attendance, whereas the stadium holds over 62,000. Two weeks ago, UC hosted Louisville, and only 45,000 showed up. Mike Brown is extremely reluctant to allow UC games to be played there for this simple reason......the games just aren't profitable enough for him.

uksmithfan, I respectfully disagree. First off, let's get the numbers straight. Paul Brown Stadium Capacity: 65,790 Oklahoma game drew 58,263 which is more than Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa St., and Baylor stadium capacities.
Nippert Stadium Capacity: you are right, a little over 35,000  Louisville game drew 40,971 at PBS.  The Ohio State game in 2002 drew 66,300
So you think I somewhat made your point? In UC's defense let me say a few things. Football has always taken a back seat to the basketball program. UC's Football recent success with FBS schools has led to Mark Dantonio and Brian Kelly both leaving the progam after a few short years. Butch Jones seems to have the Bearcats playing well again but without good recruits and a viable conference his success maybe short lived. The Big East is in flux - fans have been disappointed at every turn. In addition, this is a major league sports town that competes for the sports dollar. Add to the fact that the Reds and the Bengals are just beginning to show life again after over a decade of losing. I can assure you that the city (area) will support the Bearcats if they continue winning and they can join a major stable conference. That will not only improve recruiting prospects but might stabilize the coaching carousel also.

As far as Paul Brown Stadium is concerned it is owned by the County. I know Mike Brown has some control but he has recently said publicly he wants to see more UC games at PBS. He  also has an arrangement for the Bengals to use UC's indoor practice facility. You know his (our) Bengals are not setting the world on fire as far as attendence goes. That too will slowly return to the sellouts of a few years back. Then there is the economy - enough said.

Alternatives: Louisville - great school, great fans, great facilities - Papa John's Stadium 55,000 (less than PBS) - Yum Center - new and a wonderful venue for all indoor sports. Good access via Louisvill International Airport.
West Virginia - also great school and facilities. Milan Puskar Stadium - 60,000 (less than PBS) WVU Colesium - 14,000. Air access via Pittsburgh 75 miles away.

Univ of Cincinnati has an enrollment comparable to Texas and Texas A&M with a great school of medicine and and engineering college not to mention the College of Conservatory of Music - one of the nations best. Add to that numerous entertainment venues and it makes it a good destination for traveling football fans.

The basketball team is recovering from the Bob Huggin's years and are again pre-season ranked. UC has a full sports program and great facilities.

I would say UC is a very attractive option and if the Big 12 invites WVY or Louisville they should consider Cincinnati and add all three to get back to a 12 team conference. It just makes good sense logistic wise, rivalry wise, and conference wise.

Since: Oct 26, 2011
Posted on: October 26, 2011 2:33 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Morgantown has an airport five minutes from Mylan Puskar Stadium as well and it can land full size jets so this is not the case.  I think the Big 12 should continue to try and keep Missouri as well as invite West Virginia and Louisville.  If Missouri leaves then invite Cincinnati.  Then there would be three eastern schools.  Just my thoughts.

Since: Mar 5, 2008
Posted on: October 26, 2011 2:32 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

agree Big E is history.  Big 12 should go after Louisville + WV and either South FL or Cincy or Boise.  This also might force ND to make a move into a conference, either ACC, or Big 10.  Temple is 3-2 in the MAC, they are not going to a tier 1 conference.  The Big 12 is a very good sports conference, not sure why teams want to leave. 

Since: Jan 22, 2008
Posted on: October 26, 2011 2:31 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

and people wonder why missouri wants to leave

Texas runs the conference and every once in awhile OU tries to show it has some power and does something just to piss off Texas.

what a disgrace

Since: Sep 13, 2011
Posted on: October 26, 2011 2:21 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

1.  This is a complete joke and WV fans have a right to be furious over all this reporting.  I don't know what is really happening but a little professionalism in the media would be appreciated.
2.  Charlie42 (Texas Poster whom I tust) has stated on other threads that ABC has stated that they will not provide any more revenue under the current TV deal for additional teams.  If true that probably would keep the Big 12 from going to 12 teams in the near future so we may only be looking a one team addition and not that if Missouri stays.
3.  Missouri is waiting on lawyers, commissioners and school officals to come to an agreement on exit items and that is the dealy.  It is pretty clear they are leaving. The offical annoucement could be days or weeks to come.

That about covers the below post that were worth commenting on.

If anyone has any insight on the Big 12 network deal let us know because that is a huge piece of this puzzle and would be the deciding factor on how many teams the Big 12 may or may not take.  If they cannot get more revenue for more teams the other conference schools are not going to admit additonal member and take less money.  Just won't happen.

Since: Sep 25, 2006
Posted on: October 26, 2011 2:17 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

So much misinformation in the comments that I don't know where to start.  Firstly, there is no NCAA rule regarding beer sales during regular season games.  There are certain conference rules, and the NCAA bans said substances during championships.  (Source:  ).  More and more teams are starting to sell beer as it is an additional revenue stream and some believe it helps "control" the alcohol since the fans are consuming it anyways.

Regardless the Big 12 should stop fighting and just add all three Big East western schools (UC/UL/WVU) and be done with it.  Gets you back to 12 and gives the teams you added some familiarlity with each other and allows them to transition to the conference at the same time.

Since: Mar 28, 2007
Posted on: October 26, 2011 2:12 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Even if the Big 12 eventually does take WVA, how good can they feel about the invitation? A dysfunctional conference and you can't even get a clean entry there? Brutal.

Since: Sep 30, 2011
Posted on: October 26, 2011 2:07 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Has anyone reported that Mizzou is actually leaving the big 12 to go to the SEC. Do they have to replace a team, or not? This whole thing is becoming a tangled mess. Can anything go smoothly involving the Big 12. They should change their slogan to" The Big 12, your guess is good as mine."

Since: Dec 6, 2007
Posted on: October 26, 2011 1:56 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

I don't know what ever happened to journalism here, but when did people start reporting rumors? should be changed to because that is all it is turning into. Just another BlogSite that says one thing one day, and the next day it is a whole new story! Get you facts down pact before hearing from someone's friends sitsters best friend who told you whats going down!
For now I will just go back to reading all of the other blogs that are a little more entertaining if anything!

Since: Sep 18, 2009
Posted on: October 26, 2011 1:49 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

With that allignment the northern division would almost be a BIG East reborn and VT would go to the ACCCG 90% of the time without having to deal with Miami or GT. I'm not sure the schools need to be geographically alligned. What is better is to have a balance of power to make the divisional contests interesting.

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