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Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Posted on: October 26, 2011 12:06 pm
Edited on: October 26, 2011 3:17 pm
Posted by Tom Fornelli

On Tuesday's Brett McMurphy reported that the Big 12 had invited West Virginia to join the conference in the event that Missouri left for the SEC, and that West Virginia had accepted the invitation. A report that was confirmed by multiple outlets throughout the day.

Well, this is the world of conference realigment, and in the world of conference realignment things happen and then don't happen before happening again or not. Then you wake up in an alley somewhere with no recollection of how you got there or why you're suddenly missing a kidney.

So of course there was a report on Wednesday from the West Virginia Metro News saying that the done deal may not be a done deal after all, and that Louisvillecould be replacing Missouri in the Big 12.
As of late yesterday afternoon, WVU had received a verbal invitation to the Big 12 and had accepted. Plans were in the works for a news conference Wednesday to make the announcement.

But sources say the process hit a “bump in the road” last night.  WVU was apparently notified by the Big 12 that it needed “more information” from WVU and that there would be a vote by the Big 12 Board, perhaps on Monday.

There is speculation that the “bump” was a push by Louisville.
So what's the problem? Well, it's not so much that Louisville made some kind of last minute presentation to the Big 12 or anything as much as it's the fact that the schools aren't all in agreement that West Virginia is the better choice, as Brett McMurphy documented on Wednesday.

You may remember that on Monday, while one Big 12 administrator was talking about how much better West Virginia would be for the Big 12 than Missouri, another conference administrator was of the belief that Louisville was the better choice.

I know, the fact that the members of the Big 12 don't all agree on something shocks me too.

Since: Oct 11, 2007
Posted on: October 26, 2011 8:41 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Wow!  That East division would be pretty weak.  Not a bad idea overall though.

Since: Nov 13, 2006
Posted on: October 26, 2011 8:30 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Instead of just making it a choice of either WVU or Louisville I think the Big 12 should go to the Big East and offer them to join the Big 12 as part of a football alliance.  Either Louisville or WVU will be joining the Big 12 when Missouri leaves to go to the SEC.  The Big East is finish as par as football wise.  After either WVU or Louisville leaves the Big East the Big East will be a five members.  So you have a five member conference and trying to get someone to come join when 3 members have left and would be member have left as well.  It is going to take a lot of convincing of other colleges to join the Big East when you have a conference that is coming unglued.  The Big 12 is the stronger conference, even though they have lost members they been able to replace them and as of right now appear to be more stable than the Big East wich keeps losing members.  So this is what I do Big 12 take in the Big East as part of a football alliance and this way the Big East can protect somewhat of a Football identy while protecting their other sports leagues.   The 9 remaining Big 12 members plus the 6 big East Members gives the conference 15 members I would take in BYU to make 16 and split the teams into East and West Division such as this here.

South Florida
Iowa State

Texas Tech
Oklahoma State 
Kansas State

To minimize on travel I would have each team play 6 teams in their division with two cross over games from the other.  This leaves 3 or 4 games open for non conference games.  Instead of fighting the loss of Big East Teams the Big East should just realize it's done as a football conference and join the Big 12 together you have one strong conference that can match up against anyone.  Moreover, the Big East schools would benefit from the presence of Texas and oklahoma as far as recruiting, streghth of play and media revenues    &nb
;     &nbs

Since: Mar 9, 2008
Posted on: October 26, 2011 8:29 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Get your facts straight Beamer is the reason wv and vt dont play anymore,the rivalry was too heated for beamer

Since: Apr 1, 2010
Posted on: October 26, 2011 8:19 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Thank you WVU, savior of VT. Enjoy your independence. You can play other FBS. Schools such as Marshall. Oh yeah, you won't regularly play them either. And tell me, did you really end your post with the words "just ask anybody who has did it?". Enjoy your isolation and inevitable mediocrity.

Since: Sep 19, 2011
Posted on: October 26, 2011 8:10 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

I'm not to sure I wanna see my Mountaineers in the Big 12!!!! They get put on hold and may be kicked out before they even join!!! What is going on???? Lets just let SEC champ pick whos conference champ they wanna play its gotta work better than this SH*&!!!!!

Since: Oct 12, 2011
Posted on: October 26, 2011 8:05 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

 Is it as simple as the programs with football expenses are tired of carrying the programs that do not have the football expense?
It's as simple as this.  The football schools are fed up with th Big East leadership.  When the first ACC raid happened in 2003, Tranghese vowed it would never happen again.  When he stepped down in favor of Marinatto in 2009 he gave a simple warning that it could and would happen again if leadership did not remain vigilant.  Well, guess what, it happened again.  Marinatto has proven to be too passive and in some respects even delusional.  Refer to his comments about Notre Dame being as committed or even more committed to the Big East as any other school if don't think Marinatto is delusional.  The Big East is a sinking ship and everyone but Marinatto seems to get that.  There are obviously drawbacks to WVU going to the Big 12, and any reasonable person would say WVU belongs in a eastern conference like the ACC or SEC.  In case it hasn't dawned on you yet, this is not the age of reason, this is the age of TV and media rights and conference network deals.  Neither the ACC nor the SEC are options for WVU.  If WVU is to remain a relavent football program, it's the Big 12 or nothing.  Don't get me wrong, the Big 12 is a great fit for WVU in many many respects, great football and basketball.  If the school was located closer to the mid-west I think it would be a no-brainer on both sides.  

Since: Mar 17, 2008
Posted on: October 26, 2011 7:59 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

This VaTech whiner coming in and making ridiculous remarks about WVU,,lol. WVU brought you guys into the Big East, made a pretty good football program out of a conference USA member and the Govenor of Virginia threatened to leave the ACC if the ACC didn't take you guys in, like you really deserved it, but I will admit you have dominated ACC football ever since you left the Big East, but dominating ACC football is like dominating the MAC conference, only Fla St stands in your way about every year, and Miami has fell apart and might get the death penalty after all their cheating,and NC is right on their heels, no pun inteneded. I don't want WV in the ACC, not the Big 12, I would rather we go independent and leave the Big East, e are and FBS school and we would still get a shot at the silly BCS. So go ahead VaTech fan and believe your hate for WVU, but in truth we made you. BTW! Flying into Roanoke is not any better then flying into Pitt, just ask anybody who has did it.

Since: Oct 26, 2011
Posted on: October 26, 2011 7:51 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12


Since: Apr 1, 2010
Posted on: October 26, 2011 7:38 pm

Absolutely WVU!

Before anyone thinks I am a homer, let me make clear that WVU is not my team. I once had a tendency to cheer for WVU when they were not playing my beloved Va Tech Hokies. That all ended after WVU acted like a spoiled child when Va Tech went to the ACC. What had been a great rivalry between WVU and VT was pissed away by WVU, who refused to play the "liar", "traitor" Hokies ever again. So WVU not not only remained in a fractured conference with limited draw, they also refused to play their must lucrative bi-annual draw. The two schools are not much more than 3 hours apart and the Hokies travel well. Who wants the revenue and exposure from that game? Not the "proud" WVU Mountaineers. As an aside, if the Virginia politicians had not forced UVA to veto expansion unless Syracuse was replaced by VT in the new ACC, I do not see a WVU and VT dominated conference surviving this long. Syracuse may be playing bad football, but their being forced out of the ACC left many sympathetic to their cause. That and the ties to the NYC market probably saved the conference. You are welcome you whiners at WVU. That being said, WVU is the clear choice over Louisville and Cincinatti. The only drawback I see is the weather can be unpredictable and the travel to Morgantown is less than ideal, although Pittsburgh's airport is not terribly far away. It is eyeballs that the networks want and WVU has a much larger following than it's population reflects. The economy there collapsed after coal and chemicals found their way out of the region. Graduates of WV high schools often go out of state and do not return. Even the WVU graduates find themselves moving away to greener pastures. Often back to PA or NJ where they were from, or to VA, SC, or NC for the people born and raised in WV. The movement of population South, particularly NC, should not be underestimated. Sounds like a better draw than two schools who were so weak in football that they were glad to join the depleted Big East with WVU, Syracuse and Pitt. Cincinatti is a nice town and Ohio loves it's football, but their program is in it's infancy. Cincy may be the 3rd or fourth most popular team in Ohio after OSU, OU, and maybe Miami of Ohio. Louisville hardly has a better situation. Absolutely second fiddle to Kentucky football. And both take a back seat to UK and U of L basketball. I would love to see WVU left as the last girl at the dance. The once competitive and respectable sports programs being crushed. Lost in a combination of bitter breakups, wide open academic acceptance rates, and a poor (although undeserved) academic reputation. Now, WVU is not getting into the Big 10 or ACC for those reasons, and because those conference are only adding top research universities. Those research dollars DWARF the dollars generated from football. WVU is an underapreciated academic institution, but they are not a highly ranked research university. But let's be realistic. WVU is getting in over the other two. Maybe they all three get in? But choosing Cincy or Louisville does not help provide stability in the Big 12. WVU probably does. I just thought of my dream scenario. WVU leaves for the Big 12, effective next year. ACC adds Notre Dame and Rutgers (both strong research institutions), SEC, Big 10, Pac 10 take some combo of OK, OK State, Missouri, Texas, and the Big 12 falls apart. WVU is left without a conference. Their fans cry, they are angry. They blame Texas, Pitt, VT, and Louisville. But justice is served. All is well in the world. [ Reply to Comment ]

Since: Jul 9, 2010
Posted on: October 26, 2011 7:36 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

You can't knock a politician for helping his State School.  Who you guys need to be knocking is the leadership in the BIG12 Conference.
There becomes a time and place where everyone needs to take a deep breath and look at the source of the problem rather than lynching some political figure for helping his/her State. You would do the same, regardless if you support WVU or U of L. The problem is with the BIG12 Commissioner's office and the University Presidents of the BIG12. EGG all over their face, they would screw up a "two car parade to say the least" !!!!!

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