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Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Posted on: October 26, 2011 12:06 pm
Edited on: October 26, 2011 3:17 pm
Posted by Tom Fornelli

On Tuesday's Brett McMurphy reported that the Big 12 had invited West Virginia to join the conference in the event that Missouri left for the SEC, and that West Virginia had accepted the invitation. A report that was confirmed by multiple outlets throughout the day.

Well, this is the world of conference realigment, and in the world of conference realignment things happen and then don't happen before happening again or not. Then you wake up in an alley somewhere with no recollection of how you got there or why you're suddenly missing a kidney.

So of course there was a report on Wednesday from the West Virginia Metro News saying that the done deal may not be a done deal after all, and that Louisvillecould be replacing Missouri in the Big 12.
As of late yesterday afternoon, WVU had received a verbal invitation to the Big 12 and had accepted. Plans were in the works for a news conference Wednesday to make the announcement.

But sources say the process hit a “bump in the road” last night.  WVU was apparently notified by the Big 12 that it needed “more information” from WVU and that there would be a vote by the Big 12 Board, perhaps on Monday.

There is speculation that the “bump” was a push by Louisville.
So what's the problem? Well, it's not so much that Louisville made some kind of last minute presentation to the Big 12 or anything as much as it's the fact that the schools aren't all in agreement that West Virginia is the better choice, as Brett McMurphy documented on Wednesday.

You may remember that on Monday, while one Big 12 administrator was talking about how much better West Virginia would be for the Big 12 than Missouri, another conference administrator was of the belief that Louisville was the better choice.

I know, the fact that the members of the Big 12 don't all agree on something shocks me too.

Since: Apr 1, 2010
Posted on: October 26, 2011 7:33 pm

WVU is the clear choice!

Before anyone thinks I am a homer, let me make clear that WVU is not my team. I once had a tendency to cheer for WVU when they were not playing my beloved Va Tech Hokies. That all ended after WVU acted like a spoiled child when Va Tech went to the ACC. What had been a great rivalry between WVU and VT was pissed away by WVU, who refused to play the "liar", "traitor" Hokies ever again. So WVU not not only remained in a fractured conference with limited draw, they also refused to play their must lucrative bi-annual draw. The two schools are not much more than 3 hours apart and the Hokies travel well. Who wants the revenue and exposure from that game? Not the "proud" WVU Mountaineers. As an aside, if the Virginia politicians had not forced UVA to veto expansion unless Syracuse was replaced by VT in the new ACC, I do not see a WVU and VT dominated conference surviving this long? Syracuse may be playing bad football, but their being forced out of the ACC left many sympathetic to their cause. That and the Syracuse ties to the NYC market probably saved the conference. You are welcome you whiners at WVU. That being said, WVU is the clear choice over Louisville and Cincinatti. The only drawback I see is the weather can be unpredictable and the travel to Morgantown is less than ideal, although Pittsburgh's airport is not terribly far away. It is eyeballs that the networks want and WVU has a much larger following than it's population reflects. The economy there collapsed after coal and chemicals found their way out of the region. Graduates of WV high schools often go out of state and do not return. Even the WVU graduates find themselves moving away to greener pastures. Often back to PA or NJ where they were from, or to VA, SC, or NC for the people born and raised in WV. The movement of population south, particularly to NC, should not be underestimated. Sounds like a better draw than two schools who were so weak in football that they were glad to join the depleted Big East with WVU, Syracuse and Pitt. Cincinatti is a nice town and Ohio loves it's football, but their program is in it's infancy. Cincy may be the 3rd or fourth most popular team in Ohio after OSU, OU, and maybe Miami of Ohio. Louisville hardly has a better situation. Absolutely second fiddle to Kentucky football. And both take a back seat to UK and U of L basketball. But i can still drea. I would love to see WVU left as the last girl at the dance. The once competitive and respectable sports programs being crushed. Lost in a combination of bitter breakups, wide open academic acceptance rates, and a poor (although undeserved) academic reputation. (Me? Bitter?) Now, WVU is not getting into the Big 10 or ACC for those reasons, and because those conference are only adding top research universities. Those research dollars DWARF the dollars generated from football. WVU is an underapreciated academic institution, but they are not a highly ranked research university. But let's be realistic. WVU is getting into the Big 12 over the other two. Maybe they all three get in? But choosing Cincy or Louisvilleis does not help provide stability in the Big 12. WVU probably does. I just thought of my dream scenario. WVU leaves for the Big 12, effective next year. ACC adds Notre Dame and Rutgers (both strong research institutions), SEC, Big 10, Pac 10 take some combo of OK, OK State, Missouri, Texas, and the Big 12 falls apart. WVU is left without a conference. Their fans cry, they are angry. They blame Texas, Pitt, VT, and Louisville. But justice is served. All is well in the world.

Since: Mar 17, 2008
Posted on: October 26, 2011 7:16 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Senator Rockefeller carries a whole lot more weight then Mitch McConnell, Rockefeller could buy Kentucky and sell it to China, if they would want it, BUT, Senator Rockefeller isn't going to get involved in this nonsense, if WV is left out of the BCS because they don't have enough TV's then they should sue and shut down college football, this is college not professional sports and everybody in FBS football deserves a shot at the NC, not some TV networks dream.

Since: May 22, 2011
Posted on: October 26, 2011 7:15 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Mizzou is the problem! The Big12 is just trying to keep things together.Mizzou started all this, I blame them.
Also There is no way Louisville or WV should be in the Big 12. Ridiculous!

Since: Jun 16, 2010
Posted on: October 26, 2011 7:12 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Mizzou is out, so why not take Louisville, Cincy, and WVA?  It gives Big12 twelve teams, extends the conference east in a logical way and would remain a really powerful conference in multiple sports.  It would be a conference that could ride out future TSip or Sooner treachery. 

Since: Mar 8, 2008
Posted on: October 26, 2011 7:10 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

The Times cited two unnamed sources who said lobbying by Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (R-Kentucky) and David Boren, the president of the University of Oklahoma and former senator, helped slow West Virginia’s entry to the Big 12.
I thought that Oklahoma may have had something to do with this as they flat out stated after the season opening game loss to WVU in 1982 (in Norman) that they would never schedule WVU again.  Bowls are different, so they had to play us in the Fiesta Bowl in January 2008.

Now it is all becoming clearer.  Two blow out losses in a row to West Virginia by Oklahoma and so now they are pushing for Louisville.

Guess I can't blame David Boren although I think the majority of Oklahoma fans would rather see WVU in the Big XII from what I have read the last 48 hours.
I just wish this whole nightmare was over.

Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: October 26, 2011 7:06 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Taking West Virginia or Louisville is notghing more than picking your poision. Neither is a good fit, espcially geographically.  Let Mizzou walk and carry on with a 9 team Conference with longterm commitments. ............... or since football is entirely driving this bus, why not add a National brand, and a better geographical fit, such as Air Force.


Since: Jan 20, 2008
Posted on: October 26, 2011 7:05 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Watching these clowns in action, is it any wonder Mizzou wants out?  Just take the SEC already, the Big Ten doesn't want you... 

Since: Oct 21, 2007
Posted on: October 26, 2011 7:04 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

You idiots can have the Big 12.  Yeah, make all the jokes you want about Mizzou.  But this is another example of the dysfunctional Big 12 and why Mizzou wants to get the hell out.  Laugh all you want but it's just a matter of time before Louisville or West Virginia experience the Texas and Oklahoma way.  Enjoy.

Since: Mar 17, 2008
Posted on: October 26, 2011 7:01 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

wow such a low scrore, I must have hit some screwballs nerve to hard ,,,,,lmao

Since: Aug 29, 2008
Posted on: October 26, 2011 7:00 pm

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

HAHA! No one wants the Mountainqueers
Most of the people that post on this this site make valid, if not always popular points. Yet when I see a post like this, I ask myself, is this person ten years old, ignorant, or just trying to stir the pot? Hopefully it is the latter. Personally I still hold out hope that WVU can end up in the SEC. Nothing against the Big 12, simply speaking geographically. From an athletic standpoint, if truthful, most people would be glad to have WVU join their conference. I do think the academic aspect will be addressed by OL in due time. Other than to try to tick people off, I see no reason why anyone would argue adding WVU (academics being improved) to their conference.

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