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Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Posted on: October 26, 2011 12:06 pm
Edited on: October 26, 2011 3:17 pm
 
Posted by Tom Fornelli

On Tuesday CBSSports.com's Brett McMurphy reported that the Big 12 had invited West Virginia to join the conference in the event that Missouri left for the SEC, and that West Virginia had accepted the invitation. A report that was confirmed by multiple outlets throughout the day.

Well, this is the world of conference realigment, and in the world of conference realignment things happen and then don't happen before happening again or not. Then you wake up in an alley somewhere with no recollection of how you got there or why you're suddenly missing a kidney.

So of course there was a report on Wednesday from the West Virginia Metro News saying that the done deal may not be a done deal after all, and that Louisvillecould be replacing Missouri in the Big 12.
As of late yesterday afternoon, WVU had received a verbal invitation to the Big 12 and had accepted. Plans were in the works for a news conference Wednesday to make the announcement.

But sources say the process hit a “bump in the road” last night.  WVU was apparently notified by the Big 12 that it needed “more information” from WVU and that there would be a vote by the Big 12 Board, perhaps on Monday.

There is speculation that the “bump” was a push by Louisville.
So what's the problem? Well, it's not so much that Louisville made some kind of last minute presentation to the Big 12 or anything as much as it's the fact that the schools aren't all in agreement that West Virginia is the better choice, as Brett McMurphy documented on Wednesday.

You may remember that on Monday, while one Big 12 administrator was talking about how much better West Virginia would be for the Big 12 than Missouri, another conference administrator was of the belief that Louisville was the better choice.

I know, the fact that the members of the Big 12 don't all agree on something shocks me too.
Comments

Since: Mar 4, 2008
Posted on: October 26, 2011 6:24 pm
 

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Gumbylarue said: "Louisville I don't get.  Not over Wva or Cincy.  No disrespect, but they've really been stinking up the place lately, even with a new stadium.  They still can't draw like the Mountaineers or the Bearcats, who if hey needed to, could have the use of Paul Brown Stadium until they tear down Burnet Woods and build a new facility with parking and easy highway access.  Louiisville would never draw from Northern Kentucky, not with all the UK fans there.  At least Cincy has a larger metropolitan area and travels well, as we saw in the Orange and Sugar Bowls.  Another thing- Cincy has the higher academic ranking of the three, and is the only close to achieving AAU status.  So the Bearcats win hands down in the academic department.  WVa has a better tradition, so in my humble opinion, taking into account location, draw, and reputation,the selection order should be Cincy, WVa,, and Louisville.

Don't get me wrong- I'd like nothing more than to see all three make it, whether or not Missouri leaves.  Maybe be the first to create a 16 team superconference, which seems to be the way they're all heading anyway.  With teams like Boise State, South Florida, Houston, SMU, BYU and Central Florida, it would be the ultimate."

You're being myopic.  Not too long ago, Cincy had a horrible football program and didn't draw many fans into an already small stadium.  Louisville is rebuilding with a new coach with a tremendous pedigree and will be back before you know it.  West Virginia still out does both of them right now.

As for new stadiums, at least Louisville is putting it's money where it's mouth is.  Even with the past down seasons, they actually expanded the football stadium.  As for Cincy, they need their own and larger stadium.  Sharing, if you want to call it that, Paul Brown Stadium with the NFL Bengals isn't very attractive.

Just as you mention UK fans as a rival to U of L in the state of Kentucky, you forget about Cincinnati having to deal with....Ohio State.

Taking into account your criteria, I would disagree with you.  The order is still:  WVU, U of L, and Cincinnati.  Location:  Toss up between Louisville and Cincinnati.  Draw:  West Virginia for football; Louisville's next with a larger stadium than Cincinnati's and Louisville fans coming back because of Strong.  Reputation:  WVU for football; Louisville's next with a program that's made huge strides since the 1980s and the 2006 season wasn't that long ago.  Not disrespecting Cincinnati, but they're not better than WVU or U of L in this discussion.

Again, if they decide to go with 12, then all three of these schools would probably be shoe-ins and nobody would be trashing each others schools.



Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: October 26, 2011 6:14 pm
 

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Get a clue.Louisville has won 39 Athletic Big East Championships in their short six years in the Conference. Including football and basketball.




Since: Jul 9, 2010
Posted on: October 26, 2011 6:11 pm
 

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

It's hard to understand how agreements get twisted up from one day to the other.  WVU Officials had to get solid information from the BIG12 to say they were invited to the league regardless of what happened to Missouri.  Somewhere along the line, someone either in the BIG12 or at West Virginia University has to be accountable for this misinformation to the public and fans for their embarassment. WVU should be in the B1G, ACC or SEC anyway. It seems that the word out now about Notre Dame is if they joined an all-sports conference for everything, they would be leaning more to the ACC. Therefore, that's why the ACC is not in any hurry to fill a 15th and a
16th team at this time.  The B1G no doubt would like to have ND in it's league too. Good Luck to WVU in getting this mess to a happy conclusion.



Since: Mar 4, 2008
Posted on: October 26, 2011 6:00 pm
 

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Monkey Jokers said: "This is much bigger than the size of Morgantown vs Louisville. WVU travels with one of the single largest fan bases, far more than Louisville, not to mention an entire State behind one school. Not to mention, they have a far greater success record in all sports and can compete year in and year out in football."

Really?  I have no doubt WVU fans travel well.  But, most people in the know are well aware that Louisville fans travel very well and sellout most of their sporting events, not just basketball (of which they are consistently near the top in attendance for all NCAA schools).

As far as population, just do a little homework before you make your comments in the future.  Louisville metro is not much below the popluation of the entire state of West Virginia (1.3 million versus 1.8 million).  That's a city versus a state!  You also forget the "other" West Virginia schools who might take offense at your comment that the "entire" state backs WVU.

You also didn't do your homework with regard to Louisville's other sports.  Louisville has done quite well including women's basketball, baseball, soccer, and I can go on and on.

So, trashing Louisville isn't going to help your argument.

West Virginia obviously has a great football program and that's the attractive point to some in the Big 12 deciding the fate of the conference.  Sure, Louisville's football program isn't as high right now.  But, they're serious about being the best.  Louisville football has come a long way.  They made the mistake of hiring Kragthorpe after that highly successful 2006 season.  But, they corrected that problem by picking up Strong (don't be fooled by their current record; Strong has a young team with his very first recruits; they'll get better with each game as they gel and learn the system).  They have shown they have the money, fans, and desire to be a top football program.

That being said, both schools are very attractive.  If they wanted to go to 12 to make it truly the "Big 12", none of us would be trying to make negative comments about each school.  Instead, both WVU and U of L would be in the conference.



Since: Aug 13, 2011
Posted on: October 26, 2011 5:51 pm
 

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

To gigsb:
Haven't you learned by now that if it were logical it doesn't make sense! How dare you suggest the Big 12 take both, wht not also take Cincinnati so that when Missouri finally does leave the Big 12 will have the rediculous number of 12 teams! Absolute sillyness. 



Since: Mar 19, 2010
Posted on: October 26, 2011 5:51 pm
 

Of course others profit...

...but not many teams are willing to jump right in with the BG12 for whatever reasons. In fact, those that are leaving credit just the fact that UT has their LHN deal deemed untouchable by their own administrators. May be a huge drawback to get any others to join except those in a crumbling conf. I, for one certainly was not insinuating that fans from UT or anywhere in Texas are making decisions for the UofT. The money men & tv contracts are perpetuating all of this realignment crap & no one shold think otherwise. Athletics, logistics, academics, are all legitimately disavowed in this process. If thinking in those terms, alignment is not a difficult task at all. Sometimes I think "if brains was lard", these school administrators couldn't grease the pan.



Since: Dec 3, 2009
Posted on: October 26, 2011 5:49 pm
 

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

Louisville I don't get.  Not over Wva or Cincy.  No disrespect, but they've really been stinking up the place lately, even with a new stadium.  They still can't draw like the Mountaineers or the Bearcats, who if hey needed to, could have the use of Paul Brown Stadium until they tear down Burnet Woods and build a new facility with parking and easy highway access.  Louiisville would never draw from Northern Kentucky, not with all the UK fans there.  At least Cincy has a larger metropolitan area and travels well, as we saw in the Orange and Sugar Bowls.  Another thing- Cincy has the higher academic ranking of the three, and is the only close to achieving AAU status.  So the Bearcats win hands down in the academic department.  WVa has a better tradition, so in my humble opinion, taking into account location, draw, and reputation,the selection order should be Cincy, WVa,, and Louisville.

Don't get me wrong- I'd like nothing more than to see all three make it, whether or not Missouri leaves.  Maybe be the first to create a 16 team superconference, which seems to be the way they're all heading anyway.  With teams like Boise State, South Florida, Houston, SMU, BYU and Central Florida, it would be the ultimate.



Since: Jun 2, 2010
Posted on: October 26, 2011 5:47 pm
 

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

you must be drunk !! in all sports really ?? check your stats !



Since: Oct 26, 2011
Posted on: October 26, 2011 5:44 pm
 

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

WVU Football vs Louisville Football....Nothing to Discuss.



Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: October 26, 2011 5:42 pm
 

Not so fast on West Virginia to the Big 12

I don't know if this has been asked before (there were like 9 pages I wasn't going to look through them all) but why can't the Big XII just take both teams?  If Mizzou leaves, and with Texas A&M gone, the conference is down to 9 teams with the addition of TCU.  If they add WVU and Louisville, then only one more team (BYU?) is needed.  This way the Big 12 will actually have 12 teams in it.


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