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The Big 12 may not be done expanding

Posted on: October 30, 2011 11:23 pm
Edited on: October 30, 2011 11:24 pm
Posted by Tom Fornelli

The wheel of conference realignment never stops spinning, it only hits bumps in the road and crushes conferences beneath it occasionally.

When the Big 12 announed last week that West Virginia would be joining the conference as Missouri's replacement -- should Missouri leave, which is expected but just hasn't happened yet -- interim commissioner Chuck Neinas said that the conference was done expanding for now. He also said that the Big 12 was fine with 10 schools.

Well for now may not have lasted very long. According to Berry Tramel in The Oklahoman, the team that lost out to West Virginia to become the newest member of the Big 12 may still be in the running. Tramel says that the Big 12 may invite Louisville to join the conference soon and expand the league to 11 teams, much like the Big 10 did for years before adding Nebraska this season.

Tramel also says that the Big 12 might consider playing a 10-game round robin conference schedule if it expands to 11 schools in hopes of increasing television money by having more premiere games.

Of course, I'm of the opinion that if Louisville did eventually work its way to the Big 12, the conference wouldn't stop at 11, and would look to add another school. Much like the Big 12 would consider a 10-game conference schedule to increase revenue, it'd probably start thinking about the revenue it could get by rekindling the Big 12 title game as well.

Who that next team would be, I'm not sure. BYU could still come into play, even though the Big 12 seemed to pass on the Cougars already. In his report Tramel mentioned both Notre Dame and Cincinnati as possibilities, but I see no circumstance in which Notre Dame joins the Big 12 in football. Cincinnati might work because its current conference is in the process of falling apart, and it would provide the Big 12 with a nice market in Ohio, which could have some recruiting benefits as well.

Since: Mar 30, 2008
Posted on: December 6, 2011 2:29 pm

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

With 11 teams on tap for next season (and therefore, still no CCG), it seems to me that ND to the Big 12 would be a great addition. It is not geographically too far off base, and would create some glorious matchups. Not sure if this would be better or worse for their program as far as getting into position for BCS games, but God knows it would benifit recruiting. Because of their independent status, they will lose great rivalries with teams like USC, the Mich. schools, Navy and Stanford just to name a few. Of all those, the USC one will probably still remain I'd think, but then they'd want to get cupcakes for the other games just like everyone else.

Since: Sep 5, 2011
Posted on: November 1, 2011 10:32 pm

The Big 12 may not be done expanding


Another reason I would like to see Lousiville and Cinn join WV in leaving the Big East for the Big 12......  

The Big 12 plays a higher level of football than the Big East does.  The BE attracted some fan support.  But if there were better games...?

Having Louisville in the Big 12, means people in Kentucky will have the option of watching their schools (Louisville and Kentucky) play teams in the SEC and Big 12. So a little extra competition for recruits, etc.

Same thing for UCinn.  Ohio residents would have the option of watching their schools (UCinn and OSU) play teams in the Big1G and Big 12.  So extra competition for recruits, tv sets, name recognition, etc.

Both actions could pull support away from competitors (Big 1G and SEC) of the Big 12.     &n
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Since: Aug 6, 2008
Posted on: November 1, 2011 12:24 am

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

Go rot in hell. Your just jealous your Athletic Program isn't as good as Louisville's.

WVU total conference championships in all sports since 1991 in Big East = 14.

Louisville's total conference championships since joining Big East in 2005 = 40.

Get Real.

WVU is a joke, but I still like them in the Big 12 with Louisville.

Just don't hate.

Since: Aug 6, 2008
Posted on: November 1, 2011 12:18 am

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

Just stop talking. Your points are so weak, You don't look at a single season to define a program you moron. Louisville has sustained success in football over the past 20 years and have made it this far. And btw, WVU's coach sucks. Charlie Strong is much better. WATCH.

Since: Jan 3, 2011
Posted on: October 31, 2011 7:55 pm

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

Congrats to WVU. Oliver Luck has seen the light and got us into a conference where we can begin to shine again. This moves recruiting to a new stage, and for those of you that may say we can't run with the Big Dogs, just give us time. Recruits will make this possible. I do hope Uof L and Cinn would join. It would deffinety add alot for not only the Big12 but to these other schools. Give us a chance and believe me, we wouldn't let ya down.

Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: October 31, 2011 4:20 pm

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

Sure you will, just like you did against Marshall and Florida International!!! LMAOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Since: Mar 4, 2008
Posted on: October 31, 2011 3:35 pm

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

Don't be so myopic wvtallguy.  You base your judgment of the Cardinals to this season so far instead of looking at the whole picture.  You can't deny that Louisville's program has improved over the years with a little bump in the road with former Coach Kragthorpe.

You fail to analyze what's going behind Louisville's win-loss record this season.  This is the first year Coach Strong has with his own recruits.  Most of these guys are underclassmen.  It takes time for them to learn the system and gel.  They've been steadily moving forward.  The team that lost to Marshall and FIU isn't the same one that beat Rutgers and Syracuse.

Oh yeah, you forgot to mention that Syracuse trashed WVU a week before Louisville convincingly beat Syracuse.  Regardless, the transitive property doesn't work in sports.  So, your logic and my example are really meaningless.

The Big 12 spent a lot of time deciding to choose WVU over U of L.  It wasn't a slam-dunk decision.  A recent report alleges that the Big 12 might end up adding U of L anyway.

Since: Oct 12, 2011
Posted on: October 31, 2011 3:19 pm

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

First of all, it has been proven over and over again that the quality of your football program takes a back seat to the television market that you bring.  So it doesn't matter if Louisville lost to Marshall, or whoever.  It's like DeFillippo (not sure on the spelling) from Boston College intimated a few weeks ago.  The conferences will do whatever TV tells them to.  WVU got in ahead of Louisville becasue TV told the Big 12 that they would rather broadcast WVU vs Texas, OU, OSU, etc. than Lousiville vs those teams.  Now you may be asking "So why add them now?"  Here is what I think are the reasons in order of importance to the Big-12.  First, KY has a population of over 4 million and if Lousiville is in the Big 12 they can count all those eye-balls in their footprint when they start the Big-12 network.  Second, The Big-12 is looking to expand eastward for recruitng and TV, hence adding WVU, this is just a continuation of that plan with future additions such as Cincy to follow suit.  Third, It gives WVU (and Louisville) a regional partner/rival making them less isolated in the conference.  There are numerous other possible reasons that I think are secondary to those listed above such as furthur diluting Texas' influence in the league, but I think those are seen by most as benficial side effects rather than practical reasons.    

Since: Nov 27, 2007
Posted on: October 31, 2011 2:12 pm

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

So you think the big bad cards beat SU and that makes them world beaters and ready to take on the upper echelon of College Football Teams.  Think about this for a minute before you make those statements as a poor loser of conference realignment:

  2011 Football results
  Marshall 17 UofL 13 (Marshall lost by 21 points to WVU this year)
  FIU 24     &nb
sp;  UofL 17 (ouch - this was FIU's first win against a BCS Team)
  UofL beats Rutgers by 2 at HOME (WVU beats Rutgers by 10 AT Rutgers)

WVU 6-2 on the season U of L 4-4 on the season with the highest score for U of L for the YEAR being 27 points...
Football drives conference realignment not water polo, tennis or the other Olympic  sports...Wow and U of L thinks they were messed over by the Big 12...

Since: Mar 19, 2010
Posted on: October 31, 2011 1:03 pm

Big money matchups ...

Are already on the schedule for ND, OU & UT for the next 3 yrs. Also I believe ND's NBC deal is up in 3 more yrs as well. I really should know, I was in South Bend for the season opener against Skip Holtz' Florida team. One of my boys goes to school at Indiana Tech, so will ask him more on the subject. Jerry Jones is adamant about wanting ND, but not sure the remaining schools would accept such a 2 headed monster on the money train. But, after all, if the money is right it could happen. Personally I'd like to see it, yet have my doubts. The measly 6 yr deal for T1 & 2 sharing is the real hangup and could open up the worm can again in a very short time frame. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't ND & UT the top revenue earners in college sports? No matter who they add, IMO it would have to be a major earner if out of the central or Eastern time zones. BYU is not a good fit logistically. And no one ever liked fying or driving to Boulder in bad weather either. We called it Allen Fieldhouse West for all the KU people that would attend the bb games. We had more people there than CU did. LOL!

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