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The Big 12 may not be done expanding

Posted on: October 30, 2011 11:23 pm
Edited on: October 30, 2011 11:24 pm
Posted by Tom Fornelli

The wheel of conference realignment never stops spinning, it only hits bumps in the road and crushes conferences beneath it occasionally.

When the Big 12 announed last week that West Virginia would be joining the conference as Missouri's replacement -- should Missouri leave, which is expected but just hasn't happened yet -- interim commissioner Chuck Neinas said that the conference was done expanding for now. He also said that the Big 12 was fine with 10 schools.

Well for now may not have lasted very long. According to Berry Tramel in The Oklahoman, the team that lost out to West Virginia to become the newest member of the Big 12 may still be in the running. Tramel says that the Big 12 may invite Louisville to join the conference soon and expand the league to 11 teams, much like the Big 10 did for years before adding Nebraska this season.

Tramel also says that the Big 12 might consider playing a 10-game round robin conference schedule if it expands to 11 schools in hopes of increasing television money by having more premiere games.

Of course, I'm of the opinion that if Louisville did eventually work its way to the Big 12, the conference wouldn't stop at 11, and would look to add another school. Much like the Big 12 would consider a 10-game conference schedule to increase revenue, it'd probably start thinking about the revenue it could get by rekindling the Big 12 title game as well.

Who that next team would be, I'm not sure. BYU could still come into play, even though the Big 12 seemed to pass on the Cougars already. In his report Tramel mentioned both Notre Dame and Cincinnati as possibilities, but I see no circumstance in which Notre Dame joins the Big 12 in football. Cincinnati might work because its current conference is in the process of falling apart, and it would provide the Big 12 with a nice market in Ohio, which could have some recruiting benefits as well.

Since: Mar 20, 2008
Posted on: October 31, 2011 12:01 pm

The Big 12 should look south to Florida

Lost in all this talk is the need to visit Flordia for recruiting.  I wonder why the Big XII is not looking at one of the Directional Florida schools in all this talk.  Texas and Oklahoma and the whole conference would benefit from playing a game in Florida every other year.

Nothing would put a bigger burr under the saddle of Florida, Florida State and Miami then having Oklahoma, Texas, OK state, etc... coming into their backyards to poach recruits.

Wisdom from women.... 

Since: Jun 5, 2011
Posted on: October 31, 2011 11:57 am

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

I still have them pegged as a massive "Leftoverture Conference" (Kansas reference) after they pull in a few more Big Least teams and maybe BSU and BYU.  Then, the MWC and CUSA can take what's left of the Big Least and have the "Gigantor Wannabe Conference."

It sure is fun watching this happen.  It will be a lot more fun when it finally leads to a playoff involving conference champions to determine a true National Champion.  It would be great to see the bowls get their come-uppance, too.   

Since: Nov 21, 2006
Posted on: October 31, 2011 11:45 am

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

West Virginia and Kansas State will fill arenas, too, as long as Huggins remains there.

Since: Feb 20, 2010
Posted on: October 31, 2011 11:39 am

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

To all the people who say this is a bad piece of journalism: It's not. Sure, this is almost purely speculative, but if you haven't looked, this is posted in a blog, which means opinion (and rumors) based. The point Fornelli is making is that after WVU joined, some columnists and bloggers have been posting that realignment is leveling off a little and Louisville is stuck in the BE, and that's not necessarily the undeniable truth. He's saying to not be surprised if more Big 12 shifting happens. As it comes to sources, The Oklahomian is a reliable source, and it has been the local papers that have been breaking the news on everything conference realignment.

Also, UT's AD Dodds has been the biggest supporter of ND joining the Big 12, having lobbied for the Irish to be members for several years now. Dodds has a relationship with ND's AD, and it's not too far fetched to think ND would possibly join the conference. Texas and ND have had memorable games in the past and some history together. It would be a nice fit, and honestly, I would think a more exciting draw than what the ACC could offer. I mean... Texas-ND, Oklahoma-ND, WVU-ND... Those would be better than FSU-ND, Pitt-ND, VaTech-ND for the networks and fans alike. At the same time, it's not anywhere close to a guarantee that ND will join, but unless any other conferences change their revenue sharing plans, the Big 12 is the only conference that gives the Irish what they want: Their own network. Let's not be naive. Notre Dame wants their money just like anyone else.

Since: Oct 26, 2011
Posted on: October 31, 2011 11:00 am

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

I talked to a Great Source last week,that said WVU was a shoe in,which it was.He also told me that The Big 12 was going to 12 Teams in The very near Future,so this comes no suprise at all.I think Cinny might be the next one too.But we will see.He also told me Notre Dame is trying to get in to,which they will if the want.I'm just glad WVU is in and out of the Big East.I don't think The BIg East will ever be the Same,sorry to say,but they have had terrible leadership at the  Top,and THE GUY is Still there which is unbeliveable.

Since: Aug 30, 2006
Posted on: October 31, 2011 10:53 am

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

As a WVU fan, I would love to see Louisville and Cincy added to form a north and south division again in the Big 12.....  We need some closer schools to compete with in the Big 12.

Since: Oct 16, 2011
Posted on: October 31, 2011 10:46 am

The Big 12 Divisions

should be built on zippered rivalries rather than geography to maintain flexibility for future expansions.

first column one division, second the other. listed as annual rivalry games accross divisions. conference schedule includes 2 more cross division games and all in division members.

Kansas & Kansas State
Oklahoma State & Oklahoma
Texas Tech & Texas
Baylor & Texas Christian
West Virginia & Mizzou (or replacement, BYU?)
Cincinnati & Louisville
? & Iowa State

Since: Mar 19, 2010
Posted on: October 31, 2011 10:37 am

Notre Dame...

would most likely have to get an unmatched sweetheart deal to join any conf in any endeavor, but is unlikely for fball at ths time. Don't think the BG10 would ever allow it on the gridiron. Maybe BG12 would, as UT has about as good as it gets, but would be surprised if UT wants ND, as they are the major broker here. Also, may I reiterate that UT does not want a Champ conf game. And the 6 yr format for T1 & T2 sharing is for only the ones without any stability going forward; Louisville, Cincy, WVU, whoever. This conf is just a dog & pony show anymore. If I didn't have family ties to a member school going back into the 1920's, my interest would have vanished long ago. The continuous speculative reporting is enough to turn most anyone away.

Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: October 31, 2011 10:33 am

The Big 12 may not be done expanding


These clowns will kick wvu in the ass this coming weekend. Take that to the bank.
Well Bobby, we welcome the challenge.

Since: Nov 19, 2006
Posted on: October 31, 2011 10:32 am

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

This makes perfect sense.  The Big 12 does not want to be the only BCS team without a title game.  I can not take the Big East seriously any more and do not count them as a legitimate AQ conference.   By adding Louisville and Cincinnati, the Divisions break down nicely also.  The North gets the 3 former Big East teams, the two Kansas teams and Iowa State.  The South remains the same as it was last season with TCU subbing in for A&M.  I hear people saying that the South would dominate the Big 12, but wasn't that the way it was for all of those years to begin with?  The last time a Big 12 North team won the Conference Championship game was in 2003.  IF the Big 12 goes to an 11 team format, that still works.  Louisville has a quality basketball program.  Playhing Kansas once or twice a season will fill arenas. 

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