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The Big 12 may not be done expanding

Posted on: October 30, 2011 11:23 pm
Edited on: October 30, 2011 11:24 pm
Posted by Tom Fornelli

The wheel of conference realignment never stops spinning, it only hits bumps in the road and crushes conferences beneath it occasionally.

When the Big 12 announed last week that West Virginia would be joining the conference as Missouri's replacement -- should Missouri leave, which is expected but just hasn't happened yet -- interim commissioner Chuck Neinas said that the conference was done expanding for now. He also said that the Big 12 was fine with 10 schools.

Well for now may not have lasted very long. According to Berry Tramel in The Oklahoman, the team that lost out to West Virginia to become the newest member of the Big 12 may still be in the running. Tramel says that the Big 12 may invite Louisville to join the conference soon and expand the league to 11 teams, much like the Big 10 did for years before adding Nebraska this season.

Tramel also says that the Big 12 might consider playing a 10-game round robin conference schedule if it expands to 11 schools in hopes of increasing television money by having more premiere games.

Of course, I'm of the opinion that if Louisville did eventually work its way to the Big 12, the conference wouldn't stop at 11, and would look to add another school. Much like the Big 12 would consider a 10-game conference schedule to increase revenue, it'd probably start thinking about the revenue it could get by rekindling the Big 12 title game as well.

Who that next team would be, I'm not sure. BYU could still come into play, even though the Big 12 seemed to pass on the Cougars already. In his report Tramel mentioned both Notre Dame and Cincinnati as possibilities, but I see no circumstance in which Notre Dame joins the Big 12 in football. Cincinnati might work because its current conference is in the process of falling apart, and it would provide the Big 12 with a nice market in Ohio, which could have some recruiting benefits as well.

Since: Aug 6, 2008
Posted on: October 31, 2011 7:29 am

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

You wanna know why this isn't a bad piece of journalism ? BC it's from the Oklahoman. The biggest news reference in Oklahoma, right in Big 12 country. All you wanna do is bash Louisville. Just stfu.

Since: Aug 6, 2008
Posted on: October 31, 2011 7:26 am

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

Do you live under a rock ? Louisville total championships in Big East for all sports = 40

West Virginia = 14


Since: Aug 6, 2008
Posted on: October 31, 2011 7:24 am

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

This was beautiful to read.

Since: Dec 4, 2006
Posted on: October 31, 2011 7:13 am

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

cin 2 national championships and 6 final fours
wvu 2 final fours 

Since: Oct 31, 2011
Posted on: October 31, 2011 6:43 am

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

west virgina is better than Louisville in every aspect of sports? LOL. Really? The only thing wvu has on Louisville is a current better football team.

Louisville athletics > wvu athletics
Louisville sports facilities > wvu sports facilities

wvu has been in the Big East since 1991 and has 14 Big East conference championships in all men and women's sports. Louisville joined in 2006 and already has 40 Big East conference championships.

It's not even close when it comes to basketball.

Louisville - 2 national championships and 8 final fours
wvu - 2 final fours

Also the past couple days I've noticed that wvu fans think they have a BIG TIME football program like the Oklahoma's and Alabama's of the world. wvu has no national championships and two BCS bowl wins. That only one more BCS bowl win than Louisville.

Also you bring up competing. You really think that wvu is going to compete right away in the Big 12? wvu just had their a$$es handed to them by Syracuse. The same Syracuse that Louisville just dominated 27 to 10. Cuse didn't score a touch down against Louisville until a minute and a half left in the game.

Since: Dec 8, 2006
Posted on: October 31, 2011 6:34 am

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

The Big 12 should, and will, bring schools that have elite football programs or reside in large markets that still follow the team, even if said team is lousy.  Why?  Viewers.  Even though I live in Pennsylvania, I still want to watch Boise St.  I also have friends who are fans of pitt and they still watch pitt even though pitt isn't very good.  So, the Big 12 will go after football-first schools where football is strong and television viewers are likely to follow.  That is where the money is.  So, why not become the Big 16 now.  Just get it over with.  Also, And grab these schools while there programs and/or fan bases are strong, so they can remain strong being in an elite football conference.  

Since: Feb 14, 2009
Posted on: October 31, 2011 6:13 am

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

loserville sucks balls go back to conference usa where u can compete wvu is better than u in every aspect of sports quit whining little bitch  hopefully wvu will block your entrance into the big 12 lmfao.

Since: Aug 6, 2008
Posted on: October 31, 2011 5:51 am

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

Why must you come on here talking about WVU ? this article is clearly about Louisville. Hop off. And btw, UofL and WVU don't even compare as OVERALL programs. Sure, WVU has a slight edge in football relevance but in every other category they can't touch Louisville. Period. Ask anybody that isn't a moron and they will tell you. Better facilities, everything.

Since: Nov 11, 2006
Posted on: October 31, 2011 4:39 am

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

That wouldn't be bad, but I highly doubt Texas and Oklahoma would be in the same division. Just think about the conference title game, they're your premier matchup plus it's all about the $$$$ anyway.

Since: Apr 11, 2007
Posted on: October 31, 2011 3:06 am

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

What a horrible piece of journalism.  This article is nothing more than pure speculation and conjecture based on a comment (mind you not even a real decision) of a "source" inside the Big XII.  Good grief!  It's done, except that WVU needs to negotiate their exit from the BE.  Louisville isn't going anywhere. 

The Big XII economics are simple: the TV deal was struck with 12 teams and the networks have agreed to keep paying the same amount even though there's now only 10 teams, but would require the Big XII to start buying back games if they fell below 10.  So the Big XII HAD to get back to 10 teams, pronto.  And the schools (esp. Texas) are too greedy now to slice the pie up now that each school is taking in an extra 17%.  Heck, they're even phasing in TCU and WVU so they won't even get the full TV share for four years.  So why would they go back to 12 teams if they don't get any more TV money for doing so?  They wouldn't.  And to even suggest that going to 10 conference games could get a conference more TV money is hilariously wrong, especially when all those extra games involve Louisville. 

I believe the Big XII will expand again in a few years to go to 16, but they won't do it until the next BCS agreement is in place and the TV deal is up for renegotiation. 

The better question is how are they going to deal with WVU's exit timeline from the BE?  The BE is adamant that WVU is going to be held to the 27-month timeline and negotiating additional payment woud set a bad precedent (esp. for Syracuse/Pitt).  WVU is insistent that the timeline doesn't matter and that it won't cost them anything more in exit fee.  The Big XII NEEDS 10 teams for 2012 and seems to be more than willing to accept WVU's side of the story, so we'll see what shakes out.  I think the Big XII either takes some of that roughly $30 million they're going to get from Mizzou and TAMU and pays off the BE, or promises the BE that it will keep AQ status for the next BCS agreement, or some combination of those two.  I read one source quoted as saying Pitt would have to pay $21 million to leave the BE before 2014 - something that Pitt may be unwilling to do.  But the Big XII may decide it's better to pay the BE up to $16 million rather than pay the networks $6 million per game for each game they would have to buy back for not having 10 teams. 

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