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The Big 12 may not be done expanding

Posted on: October 30, 2011 11:23 pm
Edited on: October 30, 2011 11:24 pm
 
Posted by Tom Fornelli

The wheel of conference realignment never stops spinning, it only hits bumps in the road and crushes conferences beneath it occasionally.

When the Big 12 announed last week that West Virginia would be joining the conference as Missouri's replacement -- should Missouri leave, which is expected but just hasn't happened yet -- interim commissioner Chuck Neinas said that the conference was done expanding for now. He also said that the Big 12 was fine with 10 schools.

Well for now may not have lasted very long. According to Berry Tramel in The Oklahoman, the team that lost out to West Virginia to become the newest member of the Big 12 may still be in the running. Tramel says that the Big 12 may invite Louisville to join the conference soon and expand the league to 11 teams, much like the Big 10 did for years before adding Nebraska this season.

Tramel also says that the Big 12 might consider playing a 10-game round robin conference schedule if it expands to 11 schools in hopes of increasing television money by having more premiere games.

Of course, I'm of the opinion that if Louisville did eventually work its way to the Big 12, the conference wouldn't stop at 11, and would look to add another school. Much like the Big 12 would consider a 10-game conference schedule to increase revenue, it'd probably start thinking about the revenue it could get by rekindling the Big 12 title game as well.

Who that next team would be, I'm not sure. BYU could still come into play, even though the Big 12 seemed to pass on the Cougars already. In his report Tramel mentioned both Notre Dame and Cincinnati as possibilities, but I see no circumstance in which Notre Dame joins the Big 12 in football. Cincinnati might work because its current conference is in the process of falling apart, and it would provide the Big 12 with a nice market in Ohio, which could have some recruiting benefits as well.
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Since: Nov 13, 2011
Posted on: May 2, 2012 2:11 pm
 

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

Colorado State is also more like a BCS school in terms of academics, endowment, research dollars, etc. than a MWC school. New Mexico isn't quite as strong in those areas, but, again, it's the only game in town in a fast-growing metropolitan area and state. New Mexico's academic profile is very similar to that of Texas Tech, Oklahoma State or Kansas State. 

They make sense geographically, and a stronger as a pair to any potential conference than as stand-alone products. I mean, they might not have a strong image nationally in football, but, think about it: Until relatively recently, what was Boise State, Connecticut or South Florida? 



Since: Nov 13, 2011
Posted on: May 2, 2012 2:07 pm
 

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

It's been awhile since I visited this. In regard to your comment about what I said about the ACC: As that conference expands, it's starting to make more sense. But, the divisional format in that conference has not been good, and has maybe even hurt football. Also, having Boston College for years as a member, with Maryland being the closest conference rival, had a lot to do with what I said about the conference being geographically convoluted.

However, with the recent expansions, it's starting to make better sense as a bonafide BCS "superconference," albeit one very suspect in terms of football quality and depth. At some point, I think the ACC must come up with a workable north-south divisional configuration. But, you're right about Syracuse and Pittsburgh shoring up that conference and being a good fit.

The only potential threat to the ACC is the ambitions of the SEC. Schools like Miami, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina and Virginia Tech could conceivably bolt if approached by the SEC. Particularly North Carolina and Virginia Tech would allow the SEC to further expand its footprint, and give two ambitious athletic programs a chance to compete at a higher level in football.



Since: Jan 2, 2009
Posted on: December 13, 2011 6:22 am
 

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

Your thoughts echo my feelings exactly. Colorado State is committed by their University President to becoming relevant once more. With newer indoor facility, a planned on campus stadium worth around 100 million, a new head coach to be paid 1.5 million a year. The footprint of the fast emerging Colorado market seems to be a great fit. If CSU could begin earning BIg12 dollars their program could soon rival any of the others previously mentioned. Also, CSU has very solid women's teams. When you consider programs like USF, UConn, Cinnci, had irrelevant or non existent football ten years ago, you can see the potential for a university like.Colorado state.



Since: Jan 9, 2007
Posted on: December 12, 2011 2:04 am
 

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

to Stitched Barnes "convoluted affiliation (like the new Big East and, to a lesser extent, the ACC)."

What's wrong with the ACC??? You probably don't remember but PITT and Syracuse were in the Big East with VTech, Miami and BC...plus they are well regarded institutions, play awesome basketball and in the case of Syracuse, have an awesome Lacrosse team that competes with UVA, UMD, and UNC. They make PERFECT sense. Now the ACC needs to get UCONN and Rutgers and they will have East Coast domination!



Since: Nov 13, 2011
Posted on: December 7, 2011 5:18 pm
 

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

When looking at expansion, many of these conferences seem to have very short-term vision. They target programs that are very good in football (TCU, Boise State) in terms of competitiveness or, in West Virginia's case, good facilities, fan base and potential TV draw.

The Big 12 really needs to look at areas that make sense geographically and offer potential for future growth. The recent staff changes at New Mexico and Colorado State should catch the Big 12's attention. Those two schools were woefully underachieving in football, but are schools similar to several current Big 12 members (Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech) in terms of size and fan base, but are actually situated in bigger TV markets.

Adding New Mexico and Colorado State might not make the splash nationally that BYU or Boise State would've, but they're actually much larger state schools that don't present the problems BYU does in terms of scheduling. As for Boise State, that school is still a regional, master's level university and not even categorized as a national research university. Yes, it has an outstanding, resourceful football program, but there's a reason the Pac 12 never has seriously considered Boise, and it just doesn't fit well with the Big 12 membership, either.

New Mexico and Colorado State, on the other hand, are both ranked, national research universities. They've both had success before in football. They would add the Mountain Time Zone back to the Big 12's footprint, but without creating an overstretched, convoluted affiliation (like the new Big East and, to a lesser extent, the ACC). These schools also expand the Big 12 into a fast-growing part of the country, with a growing potential fan base and TV market for both schools (West Virginia's, by comparison, is a relatively fixed asset).



Since: Oct 7, 2011
Posted on: December 7, 2011 11:42 am
 

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

Do you also say Big 10+1+1? makes you look and sound retarded.



Since: Oct 9, 2006
Posted on: December 6, 2011 9:39 pm
 

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

Dear West Coast Kid,

Utah was NEVER a bottom feeder in the MWC.  Utah finished fourth in the PAC-12 this year, your comment is ridiculous
All Utah did was become the first non BCS team ever to go to a BCS Bowl game, be the first non-BCS team to go to two BCS bowl games, be the first non-BCS team to win in two BCS bowl games against two BCS opponents, and be the first team from the non-BCS schools to be invited to a BCS league.

Bet my life you cheer for Provo. Sorry your Cougars are just average, nice dig! Too bad your team will NEVER EVER be invited to a BCS conference, try to contain your jealousy.



Since: Nov 19, 2006
Posted on: December 6, 2011 4:01 pm
 

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

Now we all know that the Big 12 is not known for their excellence in the classroom.  This Conference is not the brightest bulb in the lamp, but do they constantly have to prove it?  Now the Big 12-4+2 is talking about taking Louisville at the same tine the Big East is actually going through with expanding in the West and taking on an additional 5-7 teams.  11 teams would not help the Big 12-4+2 at all.  There still would be no conference championshp game.  If the situation presents itself again, like it did this season, the Big 12 champion would still be screwed out of the BCS Title game, and all other BCS teams wtill would be screwed out of other BCS games, just like Oklahoma State and Lansas State were this season.  If the Big 12-4+2 is really serious about making a move, do it NOW.  IMMEDIATELY grad Louisville and Cincinnati.  Immediately as in this week.  If not, just walk to the rear of the BCS Bus, because the Big 12-4+2 will soon be the ONLY AQ Conference without a Conference Championship game.



Since: Nov 19, 2006
Posted on: December 6, 2011 4:01 pm
 

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

Now we all know that the Big 12 is not known for their excellence in the classroom.  This Conference is not the brightest bulb in the lamp, but do they constantly have to prove it?  Now the Big 12-4+2 is talking about taking Louisville at the same tine the Big East is actually going through with expanding in the West and taking on an additional 5-7 teams.  11 teams would not help the Big 12-4+2 at all.  There still would be no conference championshp game.  If the situation presents itself again, like it did this season, the Big 12 champion would still be screwed out of the BCS Title game, and all other BCS teams wtill would be screwed out of other BCS games, just like Oklahoma State and Lansas State were this season.  If the Big 12-4+2 is really serious about making a move, do it NOW.  IMMEDIATELY grad Louisville and Cincinnati.  Immediately as in this week.  If not, just walk to the rear of the BCS Bus, because the Big 12-4+2 will soon be the ONLY AQ Conference without a Conference Championship game.



Since: Sep 19, 2006
Posted on: December 6, 2011 2:59 pm
 

The Big 12 may not be done expanding

The PAC12 is the real loser in this expansion round. With them taking the bottom feaders from the MWC (Utah) and BigIIX (Colorado) they have put themselves in a tough position and will most likely be the worst of the major conferences when things settle down. The BigIIX should grab San Diego State because it will give them access to Southern California recruiting ground for football, a very good Basketball program, and a big TV market.


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