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Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

Posted on: November 10, 2011 1:18 pm
Edited on: November 10, 2011 1:22 pm
Posted by Tom Fornelli

This will come as a shock to many of you, but it seems that there are still some things not every school in the Big 12 can agree on. While the Big 12's interim commissioner Chuck Neinas has said that the conference will remain at 10 schools after adding TCU and West Virginia to replace Texas A&M and Missouri, some members of the conference would still prefer expanding to 12, with Louisville being a top candidate.

The Oklahoman's Berry Tramel spoke with a source who was present when Neinas met with Oklahoma regents last weekend and the source said that Neinas is the driving force behind remaining at 10 schools. Neinas seems to believe the conference is better off without a championship game and playing a round-robin nine-game conference schedule.

Another source in Tramel's column is also very much in favor of the conference expanding and sees Louisville as a key addition.

“We have to explore what type of growth would have to be better for our conference,” the source told Tramel. “There’s no data that a conference of 16 is better than a conference of 12. In our case, the number is not the issue so much as the quality. But to make it better for West Virginia, we have to add Louisville. For our conference stability, adding Louisville is good for us because it would be good for West Virginia. The more we can get people to start talking about the greater good, the more stable this conference can become.”

Tramel also spoke to Oklahoma athletic direcotor Joe Castiglione who also believes that the Big 12 should look to add more schools.

“I think what Chuck might be doing is settling everything down, not letting speculation develop,” Castiglione said. “He may very well believe that staying at 10 is the best thing, and I respect that. But I don’t believe we should stay at 10, not with other moving parts.”

In other words, the more things change in the Big 12 -- new schools, new commissioner -- the more they stay the same.

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Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: November 11, 2011 6:45 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

If the Big12 expands to 12 and OU and Texas wind up in separate divisions, then maybe the Big12 should adopt the SEC method of scheduling where certain schools have designated schools in the other division they play every year.   I think the SEC has Florida-Auburn, Arkansas-S Carolina, LSU-Tennessee or something like that -

In that situation, OU and Texas could keep the RRR.

And while it seems the power has always been in the South Division; when the conference began, the power was in the North (Nebraska and 3 NC's out of 4 years, Colorado, and K-State).   Funny - the revenue sharing plan was set up way back then and there weren't any complaints back then (and Texas A&M was winning the South because Texas and OU sucked).

That's why I laugh everytime someone mentions "it's Texas' greed fault" that schools left the conference!   The Revenue package was perfectly fine as long as Nebraska and Colorado were winning (and A&M too!) - but Boy!   Fall on hard times and no longer the top dog - well!  Then it's all TEXAS' FAULT!    That's what has led us to this situation so deal with it!   Go get Cincy or Air Force, etc but quit playing around.    Oh - and just as we're seeing the truth about Penn St FINALLY - maybe we'll start to see the TRUTH about Nebraska and A&M and Missouri...    Best of luck to them, but more luck to their new conferences because in a few years, the SEC won't always be flying so high (winning is kinda cyclical that way...) they'll be complaining again!

Since: Apr 5, 2009
Posted on: November 11, 2011 6:31 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

Oklahoma wants to be in the opposite division as Texas. They want to be able to play Texas for the Title most years, instead of one of them playing for it.

Since: Oct 6, 2011
Posted on: November 11, 2011 6:09 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

Conference Championship Games risk undefeated teams' records and risk them getting to the best bowl possible in situations where the favorite loses.

Since: Oct 6, 2011
Posted on: November 11, 2011 6:06 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

They should add Louisville and BYU or Air Force ASAP!

Since: Aug 4, 2008
Posted on: November 11, 2011 5:30 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

I don’t think you guys are getting the message. Notre dame have no reason regionally or financially to join any conference. They have the best of all conference worlds. The have a bid to the BCS bowl game, provided they are in the top of the BCS ratings. There are some conferences that don’t have this ability.

The also play an excellent national schedule.

Notre dame will be an independent they will not join a conference unless the AQ is taken away from them and they have no other way of getting into a BCS bowl game. The don’t have to share any revenue with any other team or conference. They have a TV contract they have to share revenue with anyone.

What part of joining a conference sharing TV and revenue with conference members are we having a problem with?

Select one: Sharing TV, bowl and game revenue? Not sharing TV , bowl and game revenue?

As long as the current AD is at Texas, they would not be independent. He has made that perfectly clear on may occasions.

Why would Arkansas, and Kentucky would want to join an unstable conference? This make no sense what so ever. Arkansas was in a conference with Texas once. Do you really think they would want to be in another conference with them again.

The most stable college conferences today are the PAC-12, sec, and Big-10. You don’t see anyone trying to raid or seduce teams from either of these conference. Now some of you would think Kentucky and Arkansas would want to leave a stable conference such as the sec. What kool aid are you drinking and what is in it? Perhaps you have had too much of the pipe?? Our planet has one moon and one sun, what about your planet?


Since: Nov 3, 2011
Posted on: November 11, 2011 4:43 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

espn for one

Since: Oct 8, 2009
Posted on: November 11, 2011 4:07 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12


I don't agree with your idea that not having a conference championship game hurts the Big 12.  The Big TEN has been able to put two teams into BCS bowls for many years by not having a conference championship game.  Interestingly this year...the Big TEN gets its money game, but probably does not get two teams into BCS games.

I do agree with you about sticking it to Notre Dame.  I'd love to see the Big East football conference end.  The Big East was foolish to make that deal to Notre Dame.  I still am amazed that Notre Dame is such a GREEDY institution.  A Catholic school that doesn't want to share football revenue money.......priceless.

Notre Dame is the poster child for why all religions should be required to pay taxes. 

Since: Oct 20, 2011
Posted on: November 11, 2011 3:20 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

I think the Big 12 would be foolish not to get back to 12 teams and make themselves strong enough to fend off any other conference from taking a few more teams from us. Louisville and Cinci make the most sense. They would also make a welcome edition when basketball season rolled around.

Since: Oct 16, 2011
Posted on: November 11, 2011 2:29 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

go to 12 with Louisville & Cincinnati

Build divisions based on rivalries rather than geography
for example, listed are cross-division rivalry games to be played every year (each would also play 2 more rotating cross division games, along with 5-6 in-division games). first column is one division, second is the other. 

Div A & Div B teams
Kansas State & Kansas
Oklahoma & Oklahoma State
Texas & Texas Tech
Baylor & TCU
Iowa State & WVU
Cincinnati & Louisville

Division A: Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas State, Cincinnati, Baylor, and Iowa State
Division B: Oklahoma State, Texas Christian, West Virginia, Texas Tech, Louisville, and Kansas

note both divisions have Texas (2), Oklahoma, Kansas, as the Ohio Valley so both have equivalent travels and exposures to the Big 12 as a whole.

Since: Sep 25, 2011
Posted on: November 11, 2011 1:53 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

The fact that the Big XII has not died, frankly, just pisses many "haters" off. 

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