Blog Entry

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

Posted on: November 10, 2011 1:18 pm
Edited on: November 10, 2011 1:22 pm
 
Posted by Tom Fornelli

This will come as a shock to many of you, but it seems that there are still some things not every school in the Big 12 can agree on. While the Big 12's interim commissioner Chuck Neinas has said that the conference will remain at 10 schools after adding TCU and West Virginia to replace Texas A&M and Missouri, some members of the conference would still prefer expanding to 12, with Louisville being a top candidate.

The Oklahoman's Berry Tramel spoke with a source who was present when Neinas met with Oklahoma regents last weekend and the source said that Neinas is the driving force behind remaining at 10 schools. Neinas seems to believe the conference is better off without a championship game and playing a round-robin nine-game conference schedule.

Another source in Tramel's column is also very much in favor of the conference expanding and sees Louisville as a key addition.

“We have to explore what type of growth would have to be better for our conference,” the source told Tramel. “There’s no data that a conference of 16 is better than a conference of 12. In our case, the number is not the issue so much as the quality. But to make it better for West Virginia, we have to add Louisville. For our conference stability, adding Louisville is good for us because it would be good for West Virginia. The more we can get people to start talking about the greater good, the more stable this conference can become.”

Tramel also spoke to Oklahoma athletic direcotor Joe Castiglione who also believes that the Big 12 should look to add more schools.

“I think what Chuck might be doing is settling everything down, not letting speculation develop,” Castiglione said. “He may very well believe that staying at 10 is the best thing, and I respect that. But I don’t believe we should stay at 10, not with other moving parts.”

In other words, the more things change in the Big 12 -- new schools, new commissioner -- the more they stay the same.

Keep up with the latest college football news from around the country. From the regular season all the way through the bowl games, CBSSports.com has you covered with this daily newsletter. | Preview
Comments

Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: November 11, 2011 1:26 pm
 

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

I'm all for adding two more teams, and Louisville should be first choice. Not sure who would make sense as the 12th member.




Since: Dec 9, 2010
Posted on: November 11, 2011 1:01 pm
 

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

For the love of all that's holy, add two more freaking teams!  What a unique thought, the Big 12 with 12 teams.... 



Since: Sep 27, 2011
Posted on: November 11, 2011 11:54 am
 

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

I'm all for 12 teams. I like watching the conference championships at the end of the year.



Since: Nov 19, 2006
Posted on: November 11, 2011 10:41 am
 

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

I think that the Big 12 is going to find out that not having a Conference championship game will be detremental to their chances of getting two teams into BCS Bowl games, just like the Pac 12 found out.  The additions of Louisville and Cincinnati make perfect sense.  The Big 12 North was always weaker than the Bouth, so nothing changes there.  What does cvhange is the Big 12's basketball program.  It gets strengthened immensely.  By going back to a 12 team conference, the Big 12 will also cut down on travel, because each team will be playing more teams closer to them, and less teams further away.  Going to a 12 team conference is a win-win for the Big 12.  It also puts the Big East out of it's misery, as far as football is concerned.  That, in turn, opens up one more "at large" spot for BCS Bowl games.  Another win for College Football.  The big loser in all of this, besides the Big East is Notre Dame, who will not have a guaranteed bowl game like they have now because they steal one of the Big East's Bowl Games if they qualify for a bowl game but do not go to a BCS Bowl.



Since: Oct 23, 2011
Posted on: November 11, 2011 7:47 am
 

Questions about 2 Divisions in the Big 12

If the Big 12 adds 2 more teams and has 2 Divisions my guess is they would have a north and south divisions.

North Division
Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St., WVU, Louisville, and maybe Cincinnati.

South Division
Oklahoma, Okla. St., Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor.

Comparing the 2 Divisions, the North would be weaker in football but stronger in B-Ball.
I was wondering if the Big 12 officials would think of going with a East and West Division. And they could move maybe TCU  to the East division and put maybe Kansas St. in the West Division and try to balance the 2 Divisions. Or would they consider spliting up OK and Texas into each division. To me this would make the most sense, but i don't know if the fans or the Big 12 officials would won't to split up the 2 teams. If they did, my guess would be that Texas would go in the East and OK to the west divisions.





Since: Dec 17, 2008
Posted on: November 11, 2011 1:28 am
 

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

T
hey don't call us "little san francisco" in Aggie-land for no reason

. Yes, we're all aware of the reason,flaunter.



Since: Dec 17, 2008
Posted on: November 11, 2011 1:25 am
 

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

Texas is far more PAC-12 than most of the PAC-12 cities.  It clearly matches that culture with its wealthy liberalism and educated population.


LOL-Those people are all transplants.




Since: Mar 18, 2009
Posted on: November 11, 2011 12:52 am
 

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

You're still a hater.  Longhorn faithful covers a lot more territory than Austin's CSMA.  It's nationwide and despite Austin-wierd culture, most followers remain Texas traditional.  Also, there are a lot fewer Texas haters now with Ags to SEC.  They'll recover from their UT codependency after 20 or 30 years and be great.  Wish they'd just make a clean break and stop trying to schedule Big12 teams as future nonconference games.  Just go.  Prosper, but go.



Since: Sep 13, 2011
Posted on: November 10, 2011 11:36 pm
 

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

Texas is far more PAC-12 than most of the PAC-12 cities.  It clearly matches that culture with its wealthy liberalism and educated population.

I cannot speak for Lubbock, Stillwater, or Norman.

But Austin, Texas is a cosmopolitan hip city of 1.5 million people.  But, it is not a pro-sports town that takes itself too seriously.
It is a giant college town that happens to have fortune 500 companies, international law firms, and the usual stuff of big cities.
It is routinely ranked as one the best cities in america and best college town.

Heck it is only one of 11 USA cities to make the Conde Naste international traveller top 100 cities in the world to visit for tourists.

Gay friendly, Pet friendly, Hipster friendly, Extreme Sports, Art Friendly, International friendly, and the list goes on and on for labels of Austin's offbeat funky vibe that is tough to define.

Austin might just be weirder than it tries to be at times.

It has the palm trees, liberal attitude, and high tech silicon valley style workforce.  It is the epicenter of independent filmmaking and independent music scene.  You will see more movie stars and rock stars hanging around town than Beverly Hills on some days.

Imagine Texas is a giant doughnut of conservative idealism with the oddball center of funky offbeat creative liberalism in Austin.

I don't want Texas in the PAC-12.  But, there is no other school in america that fits the PAC-12 ideology.
T
hey don't call us "little san francisco" in Aggie-land for no reason. 

So HornsStampeed wants Texas to go to the PAC 12?  I'm confused because all I have read for two months is how Texas ONLY wanted to save the Big 12 and how much better off everyone is in the Big 12.  Now you are "gay friendly" and a perfect fit for the PAC 12?  I just don't get the purpose of this post at all.



Since: Jun 18, 2010
Posted on: November 10, 2011 11:36 pm
 

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

If the Big 12 were to addd say BYU, they would lose the ability to hold Missouri for the time being.

HA HA HA HA HA - MIZZOU is long gone from the insanity of the big twelve (ten, nine, eleven, whatever).


The views expressed in this blog are solely those of the author and do not reflect the views of CBS Sports or CBSSports.com