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Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

Posted on: November 10, 2011 1:18 pm
Edited on: November 10, 2011 1:22 pm
Posted by Tom Fornelli

This will come as a shock to many of you, but it seems that there are still some things not every school in the Big 12 can agree on. While the Big 12's interim commissioner Chuck Neinas has said that the conference will remain at 10 schools after adding TCU and West Virginia to replace Texas A&M and Missouri, some members of the conference would still prefer expanding to 12, with Louisville being a top candidate.

The Oklahoman's Berry Tramel spoke with a source who was present when Neinas met with Oklahoma regents last weekend and the source said that Neinas is the driving force behind remaining at 10 schools. Neinas seems to believe the conference is better off without a championship game and playing a round-robin nine-game conference schedule.

Another source in Tramel's column is also very much in favor of the conference expanding and sees Louisville as a key addition.

“We have to explore what type of growth would have to be better for our conference,” the source told Tramel. “There’s no data that a conference of 16 is better than a conference of 12. In our case, the number is not the issue so much as the quality. But to make it better for West Virginia, we have to add Louisville. For our conference stability, adding Louisville is good for us because it would be good for West Virginia. The more we can get people to start talking about the greater good, the more stable this conference can become.”

Tramel also spoke to Oklahoma athletic direcotor Joe Castiglione who also believes that the Big 12 should look to add more schools.

“I think what Chuck might be doing is settling everything down, not letting speculation develop,” Castiglione said. “He may very well believe that staying at 10 is the best thing, and I respect that. But I don’t believe we should stay at 10, not with other moving parts.”

In other words, the more things change in the Big 12 -- new schools, new commissioner -- the more they stay the same.

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Since: Oct 23, 2011
Posted on: November 10, 2011 8:17 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

As a WVU fan, i think adding Louisville and another eastern team would be a good move for the Big 12. And Cincinnati would  be a good pickup, but if you think of B-Ball i was thinking U-conn would be a good pick also, and that would take a lot more strength away from the Big East in B-Ball and also keep the ACC from adding U-Conn and becoming more stronger in B-Ball. I know U-Conn football wouldn't be as good as Cincy but U-Conn B-Ball could bring a National Title to the Big 12 in B-Ball. Adding WVU and Louisville and U-Conn in B-Ball with the storng teams that they have now could make them a really stong B-Ball Conference. I could see the Big 12 being the # 1 OR # 2 Conference in B-Ball. The Big 12 already has the football teams, and i know this realignment is football money driven. But adding 3 strong B-Ball schools in my mind would be a great move for the Big 12.

Since: Nov 27, 2006
Posted on: November 10, 2011 6:55 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

HornsChump, Either you are a very funny person or the biggest TOOL on these message boards. Boast about being little SF and cosmopolitan? Are you a football fan or a professional shopper? Either way, shut up.

Since: Dec 10, 2006
Posted on: November 10, 2011 6:51 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

It is too bad that you feel that way about a great college town. Places like Manhattan, Norman, Stillwater, Ames and Lawrence are what I love about college football. The entire town is involved in the game day experiance. I have not been to Austin for a game yet, but I would think that it is the same way. Although, I agree that Manhattan is not the place for a family vacation.

Since: Jul 9, 2010
Posted on: November 10, 2011 6:26 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

While reading this article on expansion in the BIG12, I agree with the 12 Team concept, as the conference moniker indicates.  You can't help but believe that TEXAS is strongly behind the 10 team make-up, because Deloss Dodds and Mack Brown has made their staunch approval known for a 10 team league. Before WVU gets left by themselves in the East, it really would be nice to add Louisville and Cinncy to this league, but here again this is probably too painful and too easy for TEXAS to support.  In the end, should the BIG12 continue stay at 10 teams, they need to change the Leauge name to the BIG10, not the BIG TEN. Finally, if they take anymore BIG EAST teams, they should take them now or forget raiding the BE again. Just my opinion guys !! 

Since: Oct 28, 2011
Posted on: November 10, 2011 6:17 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

It's only been 4 days...troublemaker

Since: Mar 22, 2008
Posted on: November 10, 2011 5:33 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

Absolutely agree with both of you guys on this...adding Cincy and Louisville would create some Eastern rivalries and make the Big 12 a clear top 3 Hoops conference.

Since: Oct 25, 2007
Posted on: November 10, 2011 5:16 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

Please WVU 93. The schools were split on WVU and Louisville. Texas had your back and that's why you're in. Don't act like your so above everybody else. It's not like your winning BE titles left and right. Plus, you're dead wrong. OU obviously wants to expand.

Since: Mar 8, 2011
Posted on: November 10, 2011 5:12 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

blazercoach writes "Heck, invite them both and tell Iowa State to get lost.  Nobody remembers that they exist anyways!"  Good thing you don't remember things that happened a year ago. I can understand why you'd want to forget. I'm guessing Iowa and Tx Tech want the same memory loss formula you drank.  (Yes, I realize that ISU is a below average team, just gotta stick up for my boys.)

Now about this conference realignment mess, I think Neinas probably has a pretty good grasp on the current situation. I think it is settling down. I think they may target another 2 schools eventually, but I don't think they are in a rush to add for the sake of adding.  As another poster said, the Pac 12 isn't courting OU and TX now. Unless the SEC makes a run at OU, I don't see any reason any other school in the conference would look for greener pastures. They are hopefully stable at 10.

As far as adding Rice or SMU or Houston, I really doubt they would pursue another TX school. None of those three would really significantly increase revenue in terms of TV ratings and it would just water down the payout to the remaining members.  I agree that if they would want to add anyone, Louisville and Cincy would be the prime choices since the Big East is in scramble mode right now and both schools are very solid programs.  Unfortunately, if these two teams are not courted now, they will probably not be there in a couple years.

Kentucky would be dumb to leave the SEC revenue machine, so I don't even think that's an option. Notre Dame keeps coming up, but they are locked in a contract for 2 more years.  Maybe they are accessible after that, but I doubt it. They have a brand that is well know and they can still survive independently if needed.

Since: Jun 18, 2010
Posted on: November 10, 2011 5:11 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

What? No harmony in the conference after the "trouble makers" have left for greener pastures? What a shock!

Since: Nov 17, 2006
Posted on: November 10, 2011 4:47 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

Horns Stampede:

Texas should go to the PAC 14/16, but rather than carry Oklahoma they should come in with Boise St and if its 16 some other MWC like teams (SDSU, one of the Nevadas, UNM Lobos)   or Texas Tech.   

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