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Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

Posted on: November 10, 2011 1:18 pm
Edited on: November 10, 2011 1:22 pm
Posted by Tom Fornelli

This will come as a shock to many of you, but it seems that there are still some things not every school in the Big 12 can agree on. While the Big 12's interim commissioner Chuck Neinas has said that the conference will remain at 10 schools after adding TCU and West Virginia to replace Texas A&M and Missouri, some members of the conference would still prefer expanding to 12, with Louisville being a top candidate.

The Oklahoman's Berry Tramel spoke with a source who was present when Neinas met with Oklahoma regents last weekend and the source said that Neinas is the driving force behind remaining at 10 schools. Neinas seems to believe the conference is better off without a championship game and playing a round-robin nine-game conference schedule.

Another source in Tramel's column is also very much in favor of the conference expanding and sees Louisville as a key addition.

“We have to explore what type of growth would have to be better for our conference,” the source told Tramel. “There’s no data that a conference of 16 is better than a conference of 12. In our case, the number is not the issue so much as the quality. But to make it better for West Virginia, we have to add Louisville. For our conference stability, adding Louisville is good for us because it would be good for West Virginia. The more we can get people to start talking about the greater good, the more stable this conference can become.”

Tramel also spoke to Oklahoma athletic direcotor Joe Castiglione who also believes that the Big 12 should look to add more schools.

“I think what Chuck might be doing is settling everything down, not letting speculation develop,” Castiglione said. “He may very well believe that staying at 10 is the best thing, and I respect that. But I don’t believe we should stay at 10, not with other moving parts.”

In other words, the more things change in the Big 12 -- new schools, new commissioner -- the more they stay the same.

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Since: Jun 3, 2011
Posted on: November 10, 2011 4:28 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

The Big 12 or whatever it will be renamed is not going to expand to 12 teams again.  Oklahoma and Texas are driving this bus and if they had wanted a conference championship game they would have gone to the Pac 12.  They stayed to pay the regular schedule without the extra game and compete for national championships on their name and reputation. Quality over quantity and that is evident in the schools they have kept and invited.

Since: Aug 11, 2008
Posted on: November 10, 2011 4:13 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

Go back to being the Big 8 instead of the Watered Down 10 or 11 or 12 or whatever it's going to be...

Since: Oct 5, 2006
Posted on: November 10, 2011 4:10 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

Enough already with dragging this out.  Go to 16 teams.  Be the first conference to do so.  Add Loiusville.  Add BYU.  Add Notre Dame.  Add Air Force (they'll join if Notre Dame is in deal).  Add Boise State.  Expand and be the biggest conference, or one of them.

Since: Mar 19, 2008
Posted on: November 10, 2011 4:10 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

hipster friendly? gay friendly? wow that is something to brag about. but you are right it does sound like a california type town. you are such a tool. litlle san francisco you have got to be kidding me. the thing is im not sure if you are boasting or poking fun at austin. na you are making fun no one could be this smug and self absorbed. could they?

Since: Sep 19, 2006
Posted on: November 10, 2011 3:36 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

It would certainly make it easier on those schools as well as keep a couple of young rivalries going between WVU, Louisville and Cincinnati.  Not to mention a couple closer in-conference Big XII games.

Both have excellent basketball programs and continously improving football programs which is also a plus.
Couldn't agree more IM4 - adding Louisville now would complement the WV addition - not to mention the Hoops element we would bring.

Let's get this thing done now - tonight ! ! ! 

Since: Nov 24, 2008
Posted on: November 10, 2011 3:31 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

Even if some in the B12 don't want to go to 12 teams, they could add Louisville as #11.  and then stay at 11 teams.

There still won't be a B12 championship game.

What's the issue?

There is no NCAA bylaw that demands conferences have an even number of teams.

Once again, what is the issue?

Since: Oct 25, 2007
Posted on: November 10, 2011 3:28 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

You would think 12 is a better number but who knows. OU has had Louisville's back the whole time it appears. That with me being a Rams fan (Bradford), I'm starting to develop some love for the Sooners. It's obvious that WVU and 10 teams is what Texas wanted, and Neinas is their puppet.

The only option better than Louisville is ND and that's a big IF (not ND being better but them actually joining a conference). The Big 12 is too divided on their issues to attract any teams from other power conferences. Louisville's overall athletic department is pretty solid. Football is our weak link, but with the youngest team in FBS, that figures to be changing quickly. I bet OU officials were paying attention when we won in Morgantown.

But yeah, to agree with some previous posters, if they're going to do it, they should move quickly. I think it's pretty obvious how it's shaking out, you don't need to wait to find that out. If the Big 12 takes no action, the BE could very well stabilize, increase exit fees, and Louisville may not want to leave at that point, especially if AQ is abolished. Or they could attempt to deliver a death blow right now, eliminating a future competitor.

And even though Louisville and Cincy aren't huge markets, they're not tiny and they're brand new to the Big 12, giving them a presence in SEC and Big 10 country. BYU would be good as well, but not buying Boise, all they have is football and if they join the Big 12 and become mediocre, they really have nothing much else to offer.

Since: Aug 18, 2009
Posted on: November 10, 2011 3:28 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

Who cares about Oklahoma? They stuck with Texas while the Gang of 4 were leaving,let em hang with Texas! Big 8 should have never expanded with Texas,is now the Texas Conference! Oklahoma will beg to go to SEC after Texas goes Independent!

Since: Oct 23, 2006
Posted on: November 10, 2011 3:27 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

Texas is far more PAC-12 than most of the PAC-12 cities.  It clearly matches that culture with its wealthy liberalism and educated population.

I cannot speak for Lubbock, Stillwater, or Norman.

But Austin, Texas is a cosmopolitan hip city of 1.5 million people.  But, it is not a pro-sports town that takes itself too seriously.
It is a giant college town that happens to have fortune 500 companies, international law firms, and the usual stuff of big cities.
It is routinely ranked as one the best cities in america and best college town.

Heck it is only one of 11 USA cities to make the Conde Naste international traveller top 100 cities in the world to visit for tourists.

Gay friendly, Pet friendly, Hipster friendly, Extreme Sports, Art Friendly, International friendly, and the list goes on and on for labels of Austin's offbeat funky vibe that is tough to define.

Austin might just be weirder than it tries to be at times.

It has the palm trees, liberal attitude, and high tech silicon valley style workforce.  It is the epicenter of independent filmmaking and independent music scene.  You will see more movie stars and rock stars hanging around town than Beverly Hills on some days.

Imagine Texas is a giant doughnut of conservative idealism with the oddball center of funky offbeat creative liberalism in Austin.

I don't want Texas in the PAC-12.  But, there is no other school in america that fits the PAC-12 ideology.
hey don't call us "little san francisco" in Aggie-land for no reason. 

Since: Aug 4, 2008
Posted on: November 10, 2011 3:21 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

I think the interim commissioner is blowing smoke. I think the Big-12 would want to expand to 12 teams once again. I think the absence of revenue from the Big-12 conference championship game is on the mind of all the team members.

This conference can not stand by while the sec, PAC-12, Big-10 and the Big East go to a 12 or 14 team conference.

Also it leaves the conference open to additional raids from other conferences when you are at 10 teams.

I personally like the 10 team conference concept as this allows each team to play each other in a round robin schedule, thus having a true conference champion. I was oppose to the PAC-12 expanding to it’s current configuration, but alas this is the trend of the day.

It would be better if this expansion is done this season or at the latest next season as it would give the invited teams a year or two to be able to recruit and  play at this level of competition.

If the expansion is not done soon, other conferences with expansion plans are gonna pick the Big East and Big-12 apart in a couple of years.   

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