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Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

Posted on: November 10, 2011 1:18 pm
Edited on: November 10, 2011 1:22 pm
Posted by Tom Fornelli

This will come as a shock to many of you, but it seems that there are still some things not every school in the Big 12 can agree on. While the Big 12's interim commissioner Chuck Neinas has said that the conference will remain at 10 schools after adding TCU and West Virginia to replace Texas A&M and Missouri, some members of the conference would still prefer expanding to 12, with Louisville being a top candidate.

The Oklahoman's Berry Tramel spoke with a source who was present when Neinas met with Oklahoma regents last weekend and the source said that Neinas is the driving force behind remaining at 10 schools. Neinas seems to believe the conference is better off without a championship game and playing a round-robin nine-game conference schedule.

Another source in Tramel's column is also very much in favor of the conference expanding and sees Louisville as a key addition.

“We have to explore what type of growth would have to be better for our conference,” the source told Tramel. “There’s no data that a conference of 16 is better than a conference of 12. In our case, the number is not the issue so much as the quality. But to make it better for West Virginia, we have to add Louisville. For our conference stability, adding Louisville is good for us because it would be good for West Virginia. The more we can get people to start talking about the greater good, the more stable this conference can become.”

Tramel also spoke to Oklahoma athletic direcotor Joe Castiglione who also believes that the Big 12 should look to add more schools.

“I think what Chuck might be doing is settling everything down, not letting speculation develop,” Castiglione said. “He may very well believe that staying at 10 is the best thing, and I respect that. But I don’t believe we should stay at 10, not with other moving parts.”

In other words, the more things change in the Big 12 -- new schools, new commissioner -- the more they stay the same.

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Since: Sep 23, 2011
Posted on: November 10, 2011 3:19 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

I do belive you can find good teams(brands) to add. To get to 12 again adding say Louisville and/or BYU would give you a Brand people are familar with. I think Boise as good as they been the last decade needs some more growth. A good brand is based on your history and the Market. 5 years of 7-5 years in the Big 12 would shrink their brand. If you could pull Arkansas or Kentucky it would great but either of those or any other school leaving the SEC is not going to happen. Houston, Cincinnati, and Tulane(very darkhorse) have markets that could cultivate a brand but need to win on a high level consinstly to make that a reality.

Since: Apr 11, 2007
Posted on: November 10, 2011 3:17 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

finding manhattan is easy...look for the signs stating "we own UT".  If you dont like coming up to watch Bevo lose, be our guest to not come at all.

Since: Dec 18, 2006
Posted on: November 10, 2011 3:07 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

I'm willing to listen, but who is a better fit than Louisville and cincy? Arkansas and Kentucky? Really? SEC basketball sucks so Kentucky would have it better staying there to get to the final four. there football stinks and always has, and they don't even care. They aren't leaving. Neither is Arkansas. They are very good IN the SEC in football, so why would you leave the best football conference that you compete in very well in? At least make a intelligent arguement. Louisville and cincy are already better fits than over half the teams already in the Big 12. The big 12 needs to be at 12 teams to be relevant again.

Since: Oct 22, 2009
Posted on: November 10, 2011 3:04 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

You have no say.   Your athletics Suck!!!

Since: Oct 14, 2011
Posted on: November 10, 2011 3:02 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

Can they shut down Bevo league?  I thought Neimas was OU's guy.  That Dodds must be able to screw really good because he got Neimas eyes wide open already.  They have to add 2 right now because they really screwed over Louisville.  Otherwise whenthe next big breakup occurs it will be OU and Texas.  OU & OSU will try SEC but only one will be accepted and it will only be when they have another school from the East.  Texas will eventually be in Pac 12.

Since: Nov 20, 2010
Posted on: November 10, 2011 3:00 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

That's a shame. As a UT alum I would much rather travel to California and Arizona than trying to find a way to get to Manhattan ,KS.  ( then subsequently have to BE in Manhattan , KS)

Since: Jul 7, 2007
Posted on: November 10, 2011 2:55 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

The easiest two to go after would be Houston and Louisville.  That would give Iowa State, OkState, Kansas, KState, Louisville, and West Virginia one half of the conference....and Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston, and Oklahoma that other half.  If SMU and Rice were added, you could have a Texas division and a midwest division.  Of course, in terms of football and not geography, Tulsa (ranked 28th) would be a much better fit thatn Rice.  Heck, invite them both and tell Iowa State to get lost.  Nobody remembers that they exist anyways!

There are possibilities out there.  BYU still needs a home.  I can't believe Boise St. hasn't been in the discussion either.

Since: Feb 16, 2010
Posted on: November 10, 2011 2:40 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

There's a good chance the B12 is waiting to see how it all shakes out before adding anyone.  Let's say 3 years down the road when they renegotiate their Tier 1 rights they have an opportunity to add 2 schools that are a better fit than Louisville and Cincy.  Who knows how the 16 team SEC is going to play out, what if 2 schools, say Arkansas and Kentucky, decide they would rather move to the B12 because the road to the BCS is easier than in the SEC?  What if Notre Dame decides it has to join a conference? 

I want the B12 to get back to 12 but I want it to be with the two best options and dont feel the need to rush into anything. Remember it is starting to sound like the AQ status is going away and that is going to have a big impact on lower level realignment.

Since: Sep 19, 2011
Posted on: November 10, 2011 2:37 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

Staying at 10 is a bad idea. It leaves open the option for Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St to flirt with the Pac-12 again. This year it was a no deal, but things change. Money changes minds. In the next few years the Pac-12 may change its mind in the face of a more lucrative tv contract by adding UT and OU. Moving to 12 or even 14 would create a league that may be in better position to keep those schools from leaving.
I also would like to see the Big 12 have more then 12 teams, but can the conferences find some good teams to add.

Since: Mar 8, 2008
Posted on: November 10, 2011 2:05 pm

Expansion still on minds of some in the Big 12

To me, if the Big XII has any potential interest in adding say Louisville and/or Cincinnati they should do it sooner rather than later due to the changes forthcoming in the Big East with possibly higher exit fees once they start adding new programs.

It would certainly make it easier on those schools as well as keep a couple of young rivalries going between WVU, Louisville and Cincinnati.  Not to mention a couple closer in-conference Big XII games.

Both have excellent basketball programs and continously improving football programs which is also a plus.

I certainly do not think that either of those schools would mind making that move... just my hunch.

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