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Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

Posted on: December 26, 2011 11:19 am
Edited on: December 26, 2011 11:20 am
Posted by Tom Fornelli

One of the main critiques of the current bowl system is how schools, more often than not, lose money by going to a bowl game. This year is no different, as Clemson is finding out that its first trip to a BCS bowl game is going to leave the school in the red.

According to The Post and Courier, with ticket sales where they are currently, Clemson is going to lose about $180,000 thanks to their trip to the Orange Bowl.

As of last week, Clemson had only been able to sell about half of the 17,500 tickets it had to buy from the Orange Bowl for the low, low price of around half a million dollars. Clemson will get a $1.75 million bowl allowance from the ACC, but all in all the trip is going to cost the school $1.91 million. This includes the price of the unsold tickets along with meals, lodging and travel costs for the football team, band, cheerleaders and support staff.

Though there are other benefits according to Clemson athletic director Terry Don Phillips.

"There is a perception problem; it's not a windfall," said Phillips. "You just want to be able to break even. Sometimes you don't even break even. But there are significant benefits. You get some extra practice time. And anytime you can get on national television, it continues exposure for your program, which is very significant value."

Yes, and that exposure for the program helps in things like recruiting, which helps bring even better players to Clemson. Players that will help Clemson consistently win and get to bowl games and lose more money.

Since: Sep 16, 2006
Posted on: December 27, 2011 3:55 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

That format would ensure no teams would lose money going to bowls, the tickets would be in demand. less teams in bowls by 16 teams.

Since: Sep 16, 2006
Posted on: December 27, 2011 3:52 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

The Bowl mess with teams losing money is all the more reason to go to a 16 team playoff useing these bowls as playoff sites. The 11 conferences would all have thier conference champs in the playoffs and 5 at large teams, or if the MWC and USA combine 10 champs plus 6 at large. The seeding would go by average ranks in all polls.  Here is a for instance:

round 1 would consist of 8 bowl games the first weekend of the playoffs: Liberty, Outback, Ticket City, Sun, Capital one, Alamo, Holiday,  and Independence.

Have the following bowls, Rose, Sugar, Orange, Fiesta, Cotton, Gator and Chick Fil-a (old Peach) be the cities that host rounds 2, 3 and NCG and have them rotate each year. An example:

Round 2 would consist of 4 bowl games the second week: Peach, Gator, Cotton, Orange

Round 3 would consist of 2 Bowl games the third week: Sugar, Fiesta

Round 4 would be the NCG: Rose

The next year the Fiesta Bowl moves to NCG and Rose goes down to round 2 1 spot, and Orange would move up to round 3 and so on. That way every 7 years a different part of the country hosts the NCG.

All the remaining 19 Bowl games would be by invite only and would be higher quality games because there would be less teams making bowls.

Since: Dec 27, 2011
Posted on: December 27, 2011 1:59 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

Anyone wanting to go to any bowl will spend much less going through the bowl itself vs the school's ticket office (which is how they "measure" the ticket sales - pct sold of the allocation to the ticket office).  While I am still angry that the Sugar Bowl picked a less deserving, far lower ranked set of teams in Michigan and Va Tech, I am sure those two teams will have plenty of fans there.  The Sugar Bowl was not making a game quality decision, they were making an erroneous fan travel decision - since its all about money, not competition.  One of the top 7 teams they dissed has brought over 20K to its two BCS bowls from far away.  I am sure there will plenty of orange in the stands at the Orange Bowl, just not with tickets purchased through Clemson.  Tiger fans are pretty smart.   

Since: Dec 4, 2006
Posted on: December 27, 2011 1:31 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

The problem is the bowl tickets that the school gets cost an arm and a leg. You can go out to any ticket website and get a better seat for a quarter of the price of the tickets the school has to sell. Why pay $100 for a ticket in the upper deck of the endzone when you can get something in a better spot for like $30. It's just ridiculous. The empty seats in all these bowl games is horrible. I watched multiple games over the past week and most of them are less than 50% full.

Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: December 27, 2011 1:24 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

Link? Source?

Since: Oct 20, 2006
Posted on: December 27, 2011 1:16 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

To answer the question "Why is this game on Wednesday night?" ..  The answer, of course is ESPN.  They have bought out every bowl game except two.  And they will schedule they whenever they please, which is one game a night, so that football fans will tune to their monopoly every night.  Fans not being able to make it to a weeknight game is not their problem.  And the big shots who run the Orange Bowl making a couple of million each is not their problem either.  I am surprised than fans and university presdents are allowing themselves to be abused by the guise of the "tradition of bowl games".  When the current BCS agreement ends, the conferences and schools should have the balls confront these fascists (ESPN and the big bowls).  You could have a playoof, and you could have bowl games, and the schools (not thebig shot bowl execs) could actually make a ton of money from these games.
  WVU will also lose money on the Orange Bowl.  The idea that you are obligated to sell 15,000 tickets at prices that are much higher than the public can buy them is just insane.  Hey Orange Bowl, I've got a 2008 Cadillac Escalade.  I'll sell it to you for 200,000 grand.  Okay?

Since: Dec 27, 2011
Posted on: December 27, 2011 12:23 pm
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Since: Nov 26, 2008
Posted on: December 27, 2011 11:24 am

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

Clemson is a "public" university. This means that a large part of its funds come from taxpayers. The people who enable the flow of tax $$ to the university are people that the university wants to please. What better way to please such individuals than to reward them with bowl tickets, etc. Therefore, it "costs" a whole lot more to go to a bowl than paying for the team, band and cheerleaders. In return, the university receives "good will" that doesn't show up in the accounting.

Since: Jul 9, 2010
Posted on: December 27, 2011 10:57 am

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

Hooterville.........With all due respect to you, if you had a brain you would really be cookin' my friend.  Virginia Tech is going to the SUGAR BOWL because it received an invitation from the SUGAR BOWL committee, due largely to their super fan support. Your team would ass up a big bird too and fly to the SUGAR BOWL if they had received an invitation. So get off your high horse and quit knocking the HOKIES for accepting the Sugar Bowl invitation.  Also, Clemson and VT will have over 20/25,000 fans at each bowl game, guaranteed. Regardless of what some of you "Professors" say out there, neither VT or Clemson will lose money on their Bowl Invitations. Lastly, this article by TOM FORNELLI was poorly reserached and written.  Thanks, and have a great Bowl Season, my friends !   

Since: Mar 1, 2011
Posted on: December 27, 2011 10:03 am

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

Crack pot journalism at it's finest. Clemson will take home well north of $12million dollars from the ACC for bowls, tv, etc.

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