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Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

Posted on: December 26, 2011 11:19 am
Edited on: December 26, 2011 11:20 am
Posted by Tom Fornelli

One of the main critiques of the current bowl system is how schools, more often than not, lose money by going to a bowl game. This year is no different, as Clemson is finding out that its first trip to a BCS bowl game is going to leave the school in the red.

According to The Post and Courier, with ticket sales where they are currently, Clemson is going to lose about $180,000 thanks to their trip to the Orange Bowl.

As of last week, Clemson had only been able to sell about half of the 17,500 tickets it had to buy from the Orange Bowl for the low, low price of around half a million dollars. Clemson will get a $1.75 million bowl allowance from the ACC, but all in all the trip is going to cost the school $1.91 million. This includes the price of the unsold tickets along with meals, lodging and travel costs for the football team, band, cheerleaders and support staff.

Though there are other benefits according to Clemson athletic director Terry Don Phillips.

"There is a perception problem; it's not a windfall," said Phillips. "You just want to be able to break even. Sometimes you don't even break even. But there are significant benefits. You get some extra practice time. And anytime you can get on national television, it continues exposure for your program, which is very significant value."

Yes, and that exposure for the program helps in things like recruiting, which helps bring even better players to Clemson. Players that will help Clemson consistently win and get to bowl games and lose more money.

Since: Jan 14, 2010
Posted on: December 26, 2011 5:31 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

Problem is too many bowls.  Going to a bowl game is no longer exciting.  The NCAA needs to get rid of 10-15 bowls (at least) and stop rewarding mediocrity.   Do we really need a Beef O' Brady's bowl?  Or a Pinstripe Bowl. 

The other thing is to keep the name of the bowl the same.  Change the sponsor if you need to, but for tradition's sake, keep the name of the bowl the same.  Although I still long for the MPC Computer Bowl.....or the Blockbuster Bowl...........


Since: Oct 5, 2006
Posted on: December 26, 2011 4:52 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

There are a few things going on here.  FIRST, you can buy better tickets, cheaper from the internet.  SECOND  it's in the middle of the first week back at work in the new year.  THIRD  it has been put down as a sorry game by ESPN, so some people are not going to go. What REALLY sux is that a school goes to a MAJOR BOWL, and loses money, some reward for a good season.

Since: Dec 26, 2011
Posted on: December 26, 2011 4:03 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

As a Clemson student, I can tell you the school will definitely be represented at the game.  Clemson was never going to sell out its own tickets from the beginning though for several reasons.<br />


<li>Miami is far from Clemson, especially when students are on break and most live even farther away.  Add that to the jacked up plane ticket prices due to the Orange Bowl and it is expensive just to get down there.</li>

<li>The Orange Bowl is on a WEDNESDAY!  People that can afford a trip like this need to take off of work for a few days right after they most likely took off for the holidays.</li>

<li>Have you guys seen the ticket prices on stubhub?  For weeks you could buy seemingly limitless tickets for less than $60.  Theres a big reason why not many people bought the tickets through Clemson for $125 or whatever they were.</li>


Clemson was screwed from the beginning to sell out these tickets, but while their sales may be low, I'd still expect 20-30 thousand tiger fans in the stands.<br /><br />

Since: Oct 18, 2009
Posted on: December 26, 2011 3:39 pm
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Since: Sep 6, 2008
Posted on: December 26, 2011 2:53 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

If you figure a 105 man football roster, 250 in the band, 45 staff, and 50 cheerleaders that just over 4200 per person for a week in Miami

Since: May 27, 2007
Posted on: December 26, 2011 2:36 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

OK, I'm a little surprised no one else has pointed this out: IT COSTS $1.91 MILLION???  If you divide that per player -- and heck add the band -- that's more than I have ever spent on a vacation.

Since: Jul 9, 2010
Posted on: December 26, 2011 2:09 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

davoh4........With all due respect to your post; Clemson fans has bought between 20/25,000 Orange Bowl tickets which is many more than the 18,000 "measley" tickets as you say.  Please don't under estimate the Clemson fans, they travel as well as any university in the country supporting the Tigers. Mr. Tom Fornelli who wrote this post, surely did not present it in a manner that is fair to the Clemson fans, or for that fact to anyone reading it. These sports reporters can really stir up things that are not fully researched, and make it look worse than they really are. It wounldn't surprise me to see the stadium half filled with Clemson fans on game day.

Since: Dec 26, 2011
Posted on: December 26, 2011 2:08 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

I know it's a holiday. I know many of you have nothing to do, much. At least for a while. But, com'on man. Learn a little about what you comment on. I keep up with most all of the bowls. WVU and CU are legendary for fan following, yet neither has sold HALF it's commitment. WHY? Ask ESPN, as the TV guys. For crying out loud, it's a WEDNESDAY night in Miami ! AFTER both Holiday Weekends! YOU gonna take your first week off work, plus take your kids out of shcool the first week back. Get a grip. It's not either school. It's nothing but TV dictating when you play. Bowl System is fatally flawed, but TV money makes it work. Pretty soon the only things that will ALWAYS be sold out in your couch, in front of your HD (or HD3D) TV. Believe it.

Since: Sep 22, 2009
Posted on: December 26, 2011 2:00 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

Wow, there are a bunch of idiot posters on today.  I can't believe I'm defending Clempson...

They are only talking about the bottom line.  They can't establish the true payout because of the distribution of the payout is usually depending on rules within the conference they are in.  Yes, Clempson only sold ~50% of their tickets, but they will still be up on the grand scheme of things as long as the ACC doesn't screw them over.

Since: Dec 14, 2007
Posted on: December 26, 2011 2:00 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

Okay, I will concede, Clemson's take from going to this bowl game is only $1.1 million, due to the ACC revenue sharing rules and not the advertised $1.75 million.  Still, one has to wonder how smaller programs are working on breaking even in $500 thousand dollar bowls.  It is only about 750 miles from Clemson, SC to Miami, FL, students car pooling should be able to make it to the game.  Assuming all of the Clemson graduates stay in Eastern South Carolina, there are direct flights from Greenville to Fort Lauderdale.  Or they can drive to or change planes in Atlanta.  This does not sound like a ridiculaous trip, and Miami should be a nice change of pace this time of the year.

I think the question goes further in asking, do we have to many bowl games now,that fans are not even interested in traveling to watch their own games, or do we have to many bowl tie ins that prevent programs from sending their fans to games they are more likely to attend.  Still, that does not really address the problems with this game, where the school is losing money because they can't get fans motivated to buy tickets to the game.

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