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Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

Posted on: December 26, 2011 11:19 am
Edited on: December 26, 2011 11:20 am
Posted by Tom Fornelli

One of the main critiques of the current bowl system is how schools, more often than not, lose money by going to a bowl game. This year is no different, as Clemson is finding out that its first trip to a BCS bowl game is going to leave the school in the red.

According to The Post and Courier, with ticket sales where they are currently, Clemson is going to lose about $180,000 thanks to their trip to the Orange Bowl.

As of last week, Clemson had only been able to sell about half of the 17,500 tickets it had to buy from the Orange Bowl for the low, low price of around half a million dollars. Clemson will get a $1.75 million bowl allowance from the ACC, but all in all the trip is going to cost the school $1.91 million. This includes the price of the unsold tickets along with meals, lodging and travel costs for the football team, band, cheerleaders and support staff.

Though there are other benefits according to Clemson athletic director Terry Don Phillips.

"There is a perception problem; it's not a windfall," said Phillips. "You just want to be able to break even. Sometimes you don't even break even. But there are significant benefits. You get some extra practice time. And anytime you can get on national television, it continues exposure for your program, which is very significant value."

Yes, and that exposure for the program helps in things like recruiting, which helps bring even better players to Clemson. Players that will help Clemson consistently win and get to bowl games and lose more money.

Since: Oct 24, 2007
Posted on: December 26, 2011 1:50 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

Another loser team(clemson) can't even sell a measley 18,000 tickets -- they aren't that far from Florida either.  The bowl system has to be replaced by a playoff and soon.  Clemson is a joke -- 18,000 tickets.

Since: Aug 30, 2008
Posted on: December 26, 2011 1:49 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

Gee, tell us something new will you?   Is this your first article ever on bowl games?  Of course "they lose money" when it comes to their share of the revenue versus the expenses.  But----- as others have so profoundly reminded you the conference wins  as a whole by giving schools a share that get to pay big-time salaries to staffs that underperform year-in and year-out and don't have to spend the money to to to a bowl game (let alone have to pay the ride for all of those non-contributing fat cats and their families of the university to attend.) 

It's called "re-distributing the wealth" and there is only one other entity that does it better than the NCAA.  Can you guess who that is? 

Some things never change so just get used to it.   

Since: Sep 22, 2011
Posted on: December 26, 2011 1:23 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

First VA Tech and now Clemson.  This is poetic justice.  That said we need to look at some facts here, as mentioned the payday will more than offset the ticket loss.  The total payout is $18 mil which is split with various degrees between the two teams CONFERENCES (non-BCS teams certainly wouldn't get half) and would need to be split amongst the ACC.  I do not know exactly what the figures are for revenue distribution but this year the ACC should do quite well given that there are two teams in BCS games, combine that with the shared revenue of all the other bowl games and each ACC team should have a pretty lucrative season regardless of ticket sales.

Since: Jul 29, 2009
Posted on: December 26, 2011 1:22 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

Hey Deader than Dead. My man, the Orange Bowl money is shared by all ACC members. Clemson doesn't get an $18 mill check bro! I say leave the band at home and maybe the Tigers can break out even. Yet further proof that these bowls are a joke.

Since: Jun 13, 2007
Posted on: December 26, 2011 1:19 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

Leave the band and cheerleaders at home or at least threaten to.  I bet those tickets would sell.  

Since: May 30, 2008
Posted on: December 26, 2011 12:59 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

Sorry about the typos but I am sure that you get my drift.

Since: May 30, 2008
Posted on: December 26, 2011 12:56 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

Deader Then Ax, your reasoning is pretty dead on this subject as well. As a member of the ACC the payouts from bowl games that member schools compete in goes into one large pot and all of the schools in the conference get a share of the maony. Even teams that do not go to bowl games. Research a littel before you jump on someone is probably some good advice for you. 

A little reminder about ACC bowl payouts

Since it's almost bowl season, it's time for a reminder on how the ACC divvies up its bowl money.

The conference allocates a specified amount for teams in a BCS bowl ($1.7 million for the Orange Bowl) for expenses, while teams heading to non-BCS games receive $1.1 million in expenses.

The conference pools together the bowl payouts from its teams and deducts the expenses described above. The remaining money is then divvied up evenly into 12 slices for the league's schools.

So even though, say, the Champs Sports Bowl in Orlando has a greater listed payout than the Military Bowl in D.C., Maryland would receive the same $1.1 million in expenses in either game. In short: Ignore the bowl payout. For ACC purposes, it is completely meaningless.

Needless to say, from a competitive standpoint, Maryland would rather land in Orlando. From a player experience standpoint, spending a week in Florida or Texas (for the Sun Bowl) would probably beat staying home.

But from strictly a financial standpoint, Maryland stands to do much better if it remains inside the Beltway for the holidays thanks to the ACC's revenue-sharing plan.

Since: Sep 13, 2011
Posted on: December 26, 2011 12:52 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

One small piece of advice to Clemson fans go buy those tickets bowls look at that when selecting teams and it could hurt you in the future. If your team doesnt sell out and travel then the communities wont see the economic impact and many times local governments kick in funds to make these bowls happen to support their communities. You don't want to send the wrong message to the bowl committees. It does not matter so much in the BCS games because they are locked in but then again travel is why the Sugar took VT. You really need to address this as a fan base.

Since: Jul 9, 2010
Posted on: December 26, 2011 12:49 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

I think LSUSMC has it correct in summarzing the real take-in form ACC bowl games. First of all, the ACC shares equal monies with all of it's member institutions.  Therefore, all the monies collected from the 8 bowls ACC teams participating this year, are put together and shared with the 12 conference teams.  As I understand, the ACC also has a rule in place to pay for any leftover tickets once the school has sold over half of their bowl ticket allotment. In this case with Clemson, having a 17,500 Orange Bowl ticket allotment; Clemson would need to sell at least about 9,000 tickets, and the ACC would pay for the remaining tickets. The ACC would then give these tickets out to special childrens groups and the military services, which is a great use of the remaining tickets. With all fairness to Clemson fans, they will easily have over 20/25,000 fans there, but many of these fans bought better seats with lower prices through ticket brokerage services. The same is true with VIRGINIA TECH at the Sugar Bowl; where they should have at least 25,000 fans, but many have bought tickets the same way through brokerage services for better seats at lower prices. Both Clemson and VT should be well represented by their fans, at their respective bowl games for the ACC.

Since: Aug 14, 2006
Posted on: December 26, 2011 12:45 pm

Orange Bowl to cost Clemson around 180K

BLAHAHAHA  this article is crap!  Orange bowl payout per team is $18,000,000!!!!!!!!!!   Poor poor Clemson will only make $16,000,000 since they had to pay $2 million to get there.  That is $16 Million to them in the positive!  What the heck is this idiot author saying?  did he go to Clemson and can't do math?  Go google bowl payouts and see for yourselves.  This article is crap!!!

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