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No split title, Alabama No. 1 in AP Poll

Posted on: January 10, 2012 1:43 am
Edited on: January 10, 2012 10:44 am
 


Posted by Tom Fornelli

If you had been wondering whether or not the AP Poll would recognize Alabama as this year's national champion or make a statement by keeping LSU ranked at No. 1, well, the answer is right up there for you. 

Alabama is on top with LSU right behind them with Oklahoma State, Oregon and Arkansas rounding out the top five.

Also, what's really interesting about the poll aside from Alabama being on top is that Alabama got every first place vote but five. Of those five ballots that didn't put Alabama at the top, only one listed LSU. The other four had Oklahoma State.

The one voter who kept LSU at the top spot was Erik Gee, from KNML in Albuquerque, N.M.. Gee told CBSSports.com's Dennis Dodd in December that it would take "like a 63-0 pasting" by Alabama for the 39-year old radio host to change his vote after the BCS National Championship Game. He believes LSU won the right to the top spot with their performance prior to Monday's 21-0 loss to Alabama, and his final AP Poll vote reflected his firm stance on the issue.

Check out the final AP Poll of the 2011 season below:

1. Alabama (55)
2. LSU (1)
3. Oklahoma State (4)
4. Oregon
5. Arkansas
6. USC
7. Stanford
8. Boise State
9. South Carolina
10. Wisconsin
11. Michigan State
12. Michigan
13. Baylor
14. TCU
15. Kansas State
16. Oklahoma
17. West Virginia
18. Houston
19. Georgia
20. Southern Miss
21. Virginia Tech
22. Clemson
23. Florida State
24. Nebraska
25. Cincinnati


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Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: January 10, 2012 5:14 pm
 

No split title, Alabama No. 1 in AP Poll

Congratulation Alabama on your 4th undisputed National Championship - but still just 2 without an asteriks!    That now puts you one undisputed championship ahead of Texas!.

All I've heard is "Alabama's going for it's 13th national Championship!"   Hmmm - so took a look and was intrigued-
1) Yes, Alabama now claims 13 Recognized National Championships.  1925, 1926, 1930, 1934, 1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978, 1979, 1992, 2009, and now 2011 seasons.   That's impressive!

Then I read that Princeton has 26!   But Bama fans say those don't count - a long time ago - but if true, then can Alabama count the first four?   Princeton won its last two in 1933 and 1935.   hmmm

2) Alabama does claim "recognized" NC's, the problem I have is that until 1979, no one can agree that Alabama was THE National Champion.

Example:
1925 10-0?  Dartmouth is also recognized
1926 9-0-1?  Lafayette and Stanford also recognized
1930 10-0?   Notre Dame recognized
1934 10-0?   Minnesota also recognized.

3) Okay - so maybe that was long ago and let's get out of this controversy with Princeton because we all know they are not a real power in the terms of modern football.  Right?  So Let's take those 4 off.  That takes us to 1961.  Unfortunately - I see the same problem!
1961 11-0?  Ohio State is also voted #1
1964 10-1?  Notre Dame and Arkansas both voted #1
1965 9-1-1?   Michigan St voted #1
1973 11-1?  Notre Dame again (no wonder Alabama has a hard on about tying Notre Dame!)
1978 11-1?  USC (but I swear that Charles White fumbled before going into the end zone!)
 
4) Finally - we get to Alabama and undisputed Championships!  Alright!
1979  12-0!   Beats Penn St 14-7 on a goal line stand!  No questions, no controversy, just #42 Major Olgolve and his half torn belly shirt!

1992  13-0!  Beats the arrogant Miami Hurricanes!  Who would have thought we'd be talking about "arrogant" Alabama fans now?

2009  14-0!  Beats Texas 37-21!  (*)  Great win!  What? (*) Texas QB McCoy hurt and out of game 1st series Texas leads 6-0 after 2 series?   Bama rushes to 24-6 half-time lead on continuous mis-cues by replacement Texas Freshman QB?   Impressive.  What?  Texas came back and score was 24-21 late in third before Bama D finally flusters freshman QB and wins? (*)   Hard to say what would have happened if McCoy didn't get hurt, but the fates were with Bama and the way a Freshman started picking apart Bama's D makes you REALLY wonder what McCoy would have done for 4 whole Quarters...   (*)  That Freshman QB as a junior transfers because he loses his job to two freshmen after a horrendous sophmore season as a 5-7 starter?   Doesn't sound so great...

2011  12-1!  Great victory against LSU!  Great revenge match-up!  What?  (*)   Alabama didn't win their conference?   (*) They didn't even win their division?   They're strength of schedule was lower than 4 other 1 loss teams?  (*) How'd they get in?  

Popular vote by the coaches poll gave them .0086 better margin than #2 Oklahoma St from computer computation 

hmmm...   And LSU beat Alabama on Alabama's home field during the regular season?  But Alabama was voted BCS #2 anyway?   Wasn't/Isn't BCS's motto "Every Game Counts?"  

hmmmm - I guess not for the SEC nor for Bama; so they get a second shot to beat a team that beat them; they get 5 weeks to prepare, and they claim that they deserved the second shot while no other team even deserved a 1st shot because "Coaches" voted them in?  

I didn't realize "Coaches" actually watched every game...  

The "coaches" saw replays!  really?  From who?  

CBS Sports and ESPN who said for 50 minutes on a one hour show (give or take a commercial) that these were the best two teams and we should have a rematch.  

Really?  What about the other 4 1-loss teams with a better SOS?  

Doesn't matter - Alabama's 1 loss was better than all of their's because it was to #1!  

A better loss? 

But Alabama won 21-0 and LSU barely threatened 1 time in the 4th Qtr and only crossed the 50 one time during the game!   Great defense! 

Or pathetic offense?  Both?

How can we tell Alabama is the best? 

Because they were voted most popular at #2 to replay the game.  

Well, it must be unique for the #2 team to win the BCS NC then!  What?   It isn't?  

The #2 team has won 7 of the 14 BCS NC's!  

Wait - that's 50%!   If the BCS can even figure out who is rightfully #1 - and you would think they could, how can they claim they get it right with #2?   hmmm-   So who were the other teams? 

Doesn't matter - they don't play in the SEC. 

Why's that important?  

Because CBS Sports gets 1st choice of the weekly SEC match-up to broadcast and ESPN gets 2nd choice to move to primetime Saturday Night by contract.  

Wait - doesn't CBS and ESPN have other contracts?  

Just ESPN (ABC) - but they also have a contract with TV rights sponsoring 19 bowls.  

But wouldn't that make them want to prop up their product over the other teams since they pay for it?  

Good question...  (*)   Just don't think about, it'll be forgotten in time but the important thing is that the guys that run the bowls make money!  

What about the teams?  

About 18 of the 70 will make some money, the rest lose money.  

How's that fair?  

That's a different topic...




Since: Dec 31, 2006
Posted on: January 10, 2012 4:47 pm
 

No split title, Alabama No. 1 in AP Poll

Doc, I'm not saying I support the system as it is now.

I'm saying we call it a "champion," but the assumption among most fans is that that is the best team.

That's ultimately what we're looking for is who was the best football team in the nation this year.

And, I think the BCS at least has a few things going for it in that "the best team" typically plays solid game in and game out, meaning their talent shines through.

UCONN probably shouldn't rank in the Top 10 of best teams in basketball last year, but they were the "champion."

So, you feel better about that than you do this?

I'd like to see them have a 4 or 8 team tourney.

But, it would be like basketball.  Then the argument shifts from teams 3, 4, and 5 to teams 9, 10, and 11.......



Since: Sep 11, 2007
Posted on: January 10, 2012 4:35 pm
 

No split title, Alabama No. 1 in AP Poll

Truth?  What do you mean, truth?  Playoffs aren't meant to pick the "best" team, they're meant to crown a champion.  So, you can argue about a showdown of 1 vs. 2 as picking a "best" team, but it's an idiotic way to crown a champion.  In order to win a championship, you need to beat the other contenders for the title, whether they're ranked #2, #3, or #4 (or number #16) doesn't matter.  The point is, worthy teams make the playoffs (with the inevitable snubs in the NCAA, and the "undeserving" division champions (1987 Twins, anyone?).  You can have your contrived "National Championship" game, but if you're going to omit a lot of teams who deserve a chance to be the CHAMPION, count me out.



Since: Feb 23, 2010
Posted on: January 10, 2012 4:27 pm
 

Les Miles Throws Game

USC beat the Ducks in Eugene and are passed by the Ducks after a close bowl game?

USC should be #4 AP.  If there was a playoff system, and USC could play, USC would be #1. 

The Trojans got better as the season went by.  They were hot as hell in the end.



 



Since: Dec 31, 2006
Posted on: January 10, 2012 4:21 pm
 

No split title, Alabama No. 1 in AP Poll

I'm so intrigued by this whole argument every year.  I think a lot of you just latch on to whatever you hear other morons say.

"How can you win the National Championship if you don't win your own conference?"

Really?

How can people who feel that way turn around and talk about wanting a tournament?

I have news for you.  If there is a tournament, it won't be made up of conference winners only.  It will be made up of the top 4, 8, 10, 16 teams in the POLLS.

Basketball champions aren't always conference winners.  Last year's champion, UCONN, finished like 8th in the Big East.

I would love to see a playoff of the Top 8 teams, but in all honest, a person could very easily make the argument that the system that football has right now is much more likely to pick the top team than the basketball's tournament.

Don't get me wrong.  I love basketball.  I take off the first Thursday and Friday each year to watch the opening rounds.  There is nothing like it.

But, I am not convinced for one second that it produces a true champion.  Does anyone who watches college basketball think for one second that UCONN was the best team in the country last year?  Heck no.  Anybody who knows basketball knows that they weren't.  They were the team who got hot at the right time, had the hottest player, got the right breaks, etc.........

Yeah, there is some argument between LSU, OK St, and AL right now, but that's about it.  Most people feel that the best team in the country is champion right now, and the ones who don't just don't like the system.  They'd like to see Ok St. get a shot.  But, they aren't too confident right now that OK St would win that game.

You can say whatever you want, but Alabama manhandled LSU last night.  They barely allowed them across midfield and pretty much carved up the vaunted defense of Les Miles.

In the first game, every statistic pointed to AL being the better team.  Their kicker just couldn't make the long kicks.

So, it's hard to say because they didn't win the first one on their home field they "can't be a champion" after winning this one.

That's BS.

The idea of the system is to pick the best team.

All I know is these two teams played 8 quarters and an OT.  Alabama outgained LSU in yardage by two miles.  They outscored them 27-9, including shutting them out in "the game" in what was basically a homegame for LSU.

They led the entire FBS in every single defensive category.

Their one loss came to LSU in OT (after 3 missed kicks).

They could play that matchup 10 times, and AL wins at minimum 7 times.

Would I like to see Alabama play Oregon or Ok St.?? Absolutely, because I love sports.

But, have a I seen anything to convince me Alabama would lose?  Absolutely not.

The best team in the country is champion right now.

It probably worked out better for OK St. this way.  This way, people can scream and hollar "we should have been there", "we would have won."  Instead, they can blame not being there on their emotions after the plane crash, and they won a BCS game this way.

With what they wanted, they would have probably been embarrassed last night.  Anybody think for one second if Alabama scored 21 against LSU that they wouldn't have scored 40 against OK St.  And, after watching that defense, you really convinced OK St. would have scored more than 14-20 ?  Heck, they struggled to score against Stanford (compared to what they've done all season).

Sorry, but it's the truth.



Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: January 10, 2012 4:07 pm
 

No split title, Alabama No. 1 in AP Poll

I don't care if 'Bama dominated LSU last night.  How can a team who lost on their HOME FIELD to the same LSU team during the season get named National Champion???
Because apparently, Alabama wins 27-9 on the aggregate. Yes, the soccer term is very appropriate here.



Since: Sep 22, 2007
Posted on: January 10, 2012 3:58 pm
 

No split title, Alabama No. 1 in AP Poll

Ahhhhh, the fun of the polls.  See what we'd all be missing if there was a playoff system. 

So, Alabama is number 1 because it beat LSU in the "Championship" game.  But, complaints are that Alabama shouldn't be number one because they couldn't even win their own conference.  So, should LSU win because they won the conference (basically by a field goal over Alabama in overtime) even though they lost the championship game?  Or, how about Oklahoma State, should they be number 1, even though they lost to Iowa State.  At least Alabama and LSU lost to each other. 

Personally, my vote is Alabama because they absolutely manhandled, mauled and shredded the prohibitive favorite.  The score could easily have been 60-0.  'Bama just couldn't close out 7 drives.  Make half of them and one understands that this game wasn't even close.  They did what they had to do, and when you consider both games against each other, the Tide was clearly the better team.

I assume the one vote for the Tigers was by the guy that said no matter what he was voting for LSU.  I can at least understand the votes for the Cowboys.  I thought they should have been playing LSU.  But, then we wouldn't have seen the cyclone that was crimson.



Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: January 10, 2012 3:53 pm
 

No split title, Alabama No. 1 in AP Poll

I don't care if 'Bama dominated LSU last night.  How can a team who lost on their HOME FIELD to the same LSU team during the season get named National Champion???

The NCAA needs to do something about the BCS.  It is a joke.  All last night proved is -- Nick Saban is a better coach at putting a game plan together than Les Miles is.  In the end -- the teams are still 1-1 on the year.

At some point they need to do some kind of playoff.  Also -- if I was LSU, I would be embarassed with the coaching staff for how they let that game play out.  How exactly does Jefferson stay in the entire game?!?!  The guy was BRUTAL.  You have a QB with experience who is a better passer -- Why don't you at least give the guy a shot.

It doesn't suprise me in the least bit that last night's game was the least watch BCS championship game of all time.  At some point the NCAA will realize that true fans realize the system they have in place is a sham and make some much needed changes.
 



Since: Mar 16, 2008
Posted on: January 10, 2012 3:44 pm
 

No split title, Alabama No. 1 in AP Poll

It's always nice to see a team that did not even win it's own conference win the National Championship. What a joke. You should not be able to be the best in the country when you don't win your conference in this system they have going. You want it to be even where SEC teams play better competition therefore have better rankings then go to a playoff.

If you are going to have this bullcrap BCS system then only conference champions should be able to play for the title. How can people say Alabama is the best team in the country. They didn't play OK State, Oregon, or Stanford and didn't win the SEC.  Oregon had 2 losses. 1 to LSU who Alabama also loss to and USC who was completely a top 10 team this year but had the ban.  I'm not saying it should have been Oregon in the game but I can't stand non conference title teams being national champs it makes zero sense.

Oregon should have played USC in a rematch for the PAC 12 title. The PAC 12 easilly had 3 teams that were top 10 football teams this year.




Since: Sep 12, 2007
Posted on: January 10, 2012 3:44 pm
 

No split title, Alabama No. 1 in AP Poll

You guys are killing me with your nonsence!  Ok St. couldnt stay on the field with LSU or Bama.  If Bama had won the 1st game ( which they should have )  We wouldnt be talking about all this crap.


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