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Pitt, Syracuse not likely on 2012 ACC schedule

Posted on: January 18, 2012 11:38 am
Edited on: January 18, 2012 12:41 pm
 
Posted by Chip Patterson

With very little warning, the ACC made one of the most prominent moves in conference realignment in the middle of the 2011 regular season with the addition of Pittsburgh and Syracuse from the Big East. The bylaw-mandated 27-month exit period was thought to be negotiable, but all signs from Big East commissioner John Marinatto indicate that the league will hold all departing members to full withdrawal process.

Following the process outlined in the bylaws would hold off the conference move until the 2014-2015 academic year. While the ACC has made it clear they are prepared to work with the Big East to get Pittsburgh and Syracuse to the league sooner, they have not made any legal efforts to expedite the process. With the release of the ACC regular season schedule coming in early February, it is beginning to look unlikely that either school will be in the ACC for the 2012 season.

"You never say never, but it's unlikely there would be major changes once [the schedule] is set," Mike Finn, ACC associate commissioner in charge of football communications, told The Charlotte Observer.

The SEC and Pac-12 have both released their conference schedules for 2012, and the rest of the major conferences will likely follow suit in the next several weeks. The ACC released the 2011 league schedule on Feb. 14.

While the ACC seems comfortable waiting out the exit period, West Virginia is having a much more difficult time leaving the Big East. Both the school and the conference have filed competing lawsuits regarding West Virginia's plans to join the Big 12, and a Rhode Island judge has ordered both parties to enter non-binding mediation. West Virginia hopes to reach a settlement allowing the school to join the Big 12 in time for the 2012 season, while the league has no plans of making exception to the bylaws. A status conference has been scheduled for Feb. 9, as both parties hope to reach a resolution before the Big East and Big 12 release their conference schedules.

When the Big East releases their schedule for 2012, I would expect to see West Virginia, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse on the slate. If the Big 12 includes West Virginia as well, it could lead to potentially massive headaches for both conferences. It seems as though the ACC is content avoiding the legalities and welcoming their new additions at a later date.

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Since: Jul 18, 2009
Posted on: January 18, 2012 2:37 pm
 

Pitt, Syracuse not likely on 2012 ACC schedule

Here is the simple fact:

West Virginia BCS Wins:  3
ACC Collective BCS Wins: 2

The thought that the ACC was ever a better football conference is embarassing.  And then, they took two teams that have done nearly nothing in the last 10 years football-wise to "cement their future".  How is that Miami and Boston College addition working out?  At least Va Tech has saved you from complete humiliation.

70 points.  The much-ballyhooed ACC champ gave up 70 points.  And you got two teams in the BCS?  Give me a break.



Since: Dec 7, 2011
Posted on: January 18, 2012 2:29 pm
 

Pitt, Syracuse not likely on 2012 ACC schedule

Well, I guess Duke will have to take those two automatic wins off its schedule for 2012. Bummer.



Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: January 18, 2012 2:13 pm
 

Pitt, Syracuse not likely on 2012 ACC schedule

John Marinatto should actually be the one looking to expedite the process.  It does the Big East no favors to have Syracuse or Pittsburgh simply running out the clock on their membership without the conference moving to solidify its membership for after the other schools have left.  I stand by my belief that the Big East needs to decide whether or not it wants to be a baskeball conference or a basketball/football conference moving forward.  In the coming age of superconferences, they can't afford to occupy the most populated region of the country and be half a conference.


John Marinnato couldn't find his ass with a map.  He's so clueless he let the ACC raid the BE for the third time.  Now he wants to hold 3 schools who desperately want to leave a conference that is on life supoprt in some vain attempt to save his job. 
  

It's time to call schools like Villanova, Georgetown, and Notre Dame they need to make a choice.  Either you're with us for both sports or your on your own.  I don't believe a conference can exist anymore with some teams joining in for some sports but not for others.  The problem lies in the 300+ teams qualifying for division I basketball status and only a hundred or so for BCS-level football.  But, then again, if you want to hang with the superconferences, you probably need to play in both sports.  Let second tier conferences like the Atlantic 10 or Mid-American focus on single sports.  It's time for the Big East to decide if they're rolling with the big boys or not.  Fighting the departure of Syracuse, Pittsburgh, and West Virginia isn't helping matters.

And therein lies the problem. Since it's inception as a BASKETBALL conference, the basketball schools have been allowed to call all the shots while the football schools brought in all the revenue.  And then there is Notre Lame who got favored son treatment and stole bowl bids from legit BE teams "just because they are Notre Dame" and basically contributed nothing back to the conference all those years. More failed leadership by the BE Commissioners.  If Marinnato was in any way whatsoever a forward thinking person, he would immediately agree to buyouts all around and then release all three schools, get things going with the reformed conference and make sure raids in the future are prevented or at the least are made very difficult to happen.  Instead, he wants to act like a spoiled brat and sue on some sort of principle.  Contracts mean jack dammit anymore.  It's all garbage.  I  agree a contract is a contract and should be honored but that isn't the way of things anymore not just in football.  The options are sign a contract to get what you want in the short term, you can always sue your way out in the end.  In the end, I am confident a buyout occurs and WVU heads off to the BXII.  And if for some reason it does not, that's also fine with me.  WVU should run the BE table this coming season (with heavy resistance from Louisville and Cincinnatti).  Probably a much easier path than the BXII. 

You ask me, WVU is in a Win, Win here, not the other way around. If WVU wins the lawsuit great, off to the BXII we go and if not, well lookout Big East, you may just have to give a conference championship trophy to WVU again.



Since: Oct 20, 2006
Posted on: January 18, 2012 1:55 pm
 

Pitt, Syracuse not likely on 2012 ACC schedule

ACC - worst of the six AQ conferences.  The facts support this claim over and over, year after year - OOC records vs. other BCS conferences, bowl game records, BCS bowl game records.  Now they are taking two more also-ran football programs from the 2nd worst football conference.  Why is the BE fighting to keep WVU for 2 more years?  Simple answer.  It's all they have.  Maybe they can use WVU's accomplishments to remain relevant for 2 more years, just like they have for the last 8 years.



Since: Apr 5, 2009
Posted on: January 18, 2012 1:54 pm
 

Pitt, Syracuse not likely on 2012 ACC schedule

It doesn't really matter to the ACC. The inclusion of Syr and Pitt cements the leagues existance no matter the timing. On the other hand the BigXII is fighting for existance. The timing of WV emtering the league may be a factor as to whether they exist in two years because of the TV deal.



Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: January 18, 2012 1:54 pm
 

Pitt, Syracuse not likely on 2012 ACC schedule

The Big East hasn't been a football conference since Miami and Virginia Tech left in 2003, and it was never a top-tier football conference even then.

There's no way West Virginia gets to leave early - they're holding Pittsburgh and Syracuse to their committments because of basketball (there's no way they're letting the #1 team in the country leave early), so they can't let WV leave, even if they have to fight a lawsuit.
Another "real smart guy" post.  It IS a football conference, with AQ status, with BCS wins over the SEC, BXII and ACC Champions.  Two of them blowout wins.  The lawsuit was just ordered to mediation.  If they mediate an agreement, WVU is out, pays some money and plays BXII schedule in '12.  That's a far cry from "no way West Virginia gets to leave early".  If things are so certain, why haven't the BE and BXII released there schedules since it's a "done deal" as you put it.

You should stop pretending you know everything.  Whine all you want, facts are stubborn things....


    



   



Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: January 18, 2012 1:47 pm
 

Pitt, Syracuse not likely on 2012 ACC schedule

Funny how the "Big Least" talk continues even thos the ACC continues to have and has always had the WORST BCS record among the AQ's.  Some of you are just stupid and let your hate bias dictate your posts.  Dummies.



Since: Aug 1, 2007
Posted on: January 18, 2012 1:32 pm
 

Pitt, Syracuse not likely on 2012 ACC schedule

Football = Big Least, no question but basketball? Big East = Big Beast! Being a Syracuse BB fan I have some real issues, I will miss the league but I do look forward to games with Duke and UNC. If we can only get UConn to follow!? As far as Football, this helps improve the already so-so ACC but only ever so slightly, the ACC is NOT a powerful Football Conference and likely never will be.



Since: Sep 12, 2006
Posted on: January 18, 2012 1:15 pm
 

Pitt, Syracuse not likely on 2012 ACC schedule

So what does the conference do about St Johns, Seton Hall, Marquette and Providence.  You can't mandate that Notre Dame, Georgetown and Villanova join with having 4 one sport schools already in.



Since: Aug 20, 2007
Posted on: January 18, 2012 1:08 pm
 

Pitt, Syracuse not likely on 2012 ACC schedule

The Big East hasn't been a football conference since Miami and Virginia Tech left in 2003, and it was never a top-tier football conference even then.

There's no way West Virginia gets to leave early - they're holding Pittsburgh and Syracuse to their committments because of basketball (there's no way they're letting the #1 team in the country leave early), so they can't let WV leave, even if they have to fight a lawsuit.

 


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