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Pitt, Syracuse not likely on 2012 ACC schedule

Posted on: January 18, 2012 11:38 am
Edited on: January 18, 2012 12:41 pm
Posted by Chip Patterson

With very little warning, the ACC made one of the most prominent moves in conference realignment in the middle of the 2011 regular season with the addition of Pittsburgh and Syracuse from the Big East. The bylaw-mandated 27-month exit period was thought to be negotiable, but all signs from Big East commissioner John Marinatto indicate that the league will hold all departing members to full withdrawal process.

Following the process outlined in the bylaws would hold off the conference move until the 2014-2015 academic year. While the ACC has made it clear they are prepared to work with the Big East to get Pittsburgh and Syracuse to the league sooner, they have not made any legal efforts to expedite the process. With the release of the ACC regular season schedule coming in early February, it is beginning to look unlikely that either school will be in the ACC for the 2012 season.

"You never say never, but it's unlikely there would be major changes once [the schedule] is set," Mike Finn, ACC associate commissioner in charge of football communications, told The Charlotte Observer.

The SEC and Pac-12 have both released their conference schedules for 2012, and the rest of the major conferences will likely follow suit in the next several weeks. The ACC released the 2011 league schedule on Feb. 14.

While the ACC seems comfortable waiting out the exit period, West Virginia is having a much more difficult time leaving the Big East. Both the school and the conference have filed competing lawsuits regarding West Virginia's plans to join the Big 12, and a Rhode Island judge has ordered both parties to enter non-binding mediation. West Virginia hopes to reach a settlement allowing the school to join the Big 12 in time for the 2012 season, while the league has no plans of making exception to the bylaws. A status conference has been scheduled for Feb. 9, as both parties hope to reach a resolution before the Big East and Big 12 release their conference schedules.

When the Big East releases their schedule for 2012, I would expect to see West Virginia, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse on the slate. If the Big 12 includes West Virginia as well, it could lead to potentially massive headaches for both conferences. It seems as though the ACC is content avoiding the legalities and welcoming their new additions at a later date.

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Since: Jul 9, 2010
Posted on: January 19, 2012 3:49 pm

Pitt, Syracuse not likely on 2012 ACC schedule

It's an amazing rationalization from JoMteer when he brags about how ferocious WVU was by beating Clemson 70 to 33, then says WVU had a BAD DAY when they got blasted by SYRACUSE. CLEMSON says they had a BAD DAY too when they played WVU.  Things that go around, come around. Kudos to WVU for winning their bowl game, but act like you've been there before.  No matter how you twist your thinking, it is doubtful WVU will play in the BIGXII in 2012, more like 2013, this is because of "reasonable time".  This WVU lawsuit will be interesting to see how it plays out in the next 6 months. 

Since: Dec 1, 2008
Posted on: January 19, 2012 2:01 pm

Pitt, Syracuse not likely on 2012 ACC schedule

I am not wasting my time with someone like you anymore.  Your posts only prove my point that you are an immature moron who wants to do nothing but put people down in these forums.  Typical WVU fan.  If you can't see that the word 'riot' is used over and over again in the articles that I showed you, which you asked for, then you obviously aren't paying attention.  You have rose colored glasses on when it comes to your WVU, just like the PSU faithful had for Sandusky and Paterno.  It is a shame.  I am man enough to say when my teams are not doing good, and I am not the one lowering this conversation to grade school levels with your sPitt comments.  I would expect nothing less from you.  

And for your information, Pitt joined the Big East in 1982.  Football started in 1991, which is when WVU joined.  But, WVU wasn't even a full member until 1995.  If you want to call me out on something, look up the facts first.  And yes, Pitt was part of the reason WVU was invited in to the Big East.  They already had a successful rivalry and Pitt lobbied to get them in.    

I am still stunned that you stand up for people that light couches on fire, turn over cars and start first in celebration and when they don't get there own way.  To me, that speaks volumes for your childish mentality.  The fact is that WVU has embarrassed there university, teams and fan base on many occasions.  Again, an inarguable fact, not an opinion.

Since: Sep 12, 2006
Posted on: January 19, 2012 1:55 pm

Pitt, Syracuse not likely on 2012 ACC schedule

I hope WVU gets out of the Big Least early.  So that (1) the Big 12 solidifies itself with some decent programs and (2) so that JoMtnr guy realizes that WVU is a good program but not great and it will be getting defiled regularly by Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State.  WVU is now looking at a lot of 7-5 or 8-4 seasons.   Hopefully now all the idiot WVU punchdrinkers will go away.

Since: Sep 22, 2011
Posted on: January 19, 2012 1:54 pm

Pitt, Syracuse not likely on 2012 ACC schedule

"Not sure if anyone has brought this up or not....but why is it ok for the Big East to hold Pitt, Syracuse and West Virginia to their 27 month rule, but expect the teams the robbed from C-USA and the MWC to play in 2012? Isn't there a double standard going on here? Just because those conferences may not have a clause doesn't give the Big East the right to expect them in when they can't release the 3 teams who want to leave...maybe by caving it will open up a can or worms down the road. The Big East is only embarrassing itself, by holding on to its schools that don't want to be a relationship gone bad, one partner wants out but the other one just can't come to terms with it.  Thats whats great about the MAC, no one "raids" it and few teams come and go...Marshall & UCF joined just to get their programs on track, and there isn't anything wrong with that, the MAC knows its not a caliber conference, but it always has 2 or 3 teams that scare the big for the Big East....its a never has been never will be conference and now its created a Big Mess."

Not sure why you are bringing it up because it is a non-issue.  The Big East doesn't expect it's 5 new incoming members to join before 2013.  That has never been on the table.  Furthermore there is no contractual stipulation for 27 months in C-USA, or MWC.  In fact there really isn't a time line for either conference, HOWEVER, the exit fees would be significantly higher if any of these teams were to play in the Big East in 2012 and hence the reason they chose to wait until 2013.  While I am sure the Big East would like to have the new teams in 2012, I haven't seen any whining or complaining from them about not getting the new teams until 2013. They are making a stink about WVU leaving in 2012 since they are bound by Big East bylaws as members of the conference to wait 27 months before joining another conference.  The Bigger issue is that the Big East is trying to help discuourage future poaching of their teams by the other BCS Conferences.  As is proven here although the issue with WVU is a mess and a headache, the ACC doesn't want to get involved in it and hence is willing to wait for the 27 month waiting period to get Pitt and Syracuse.  As for you touting the merits of the MAC, just because they won some bowl games this year is no reason to get excited.  Northern Illinois, Temple (which may ultimately be getting poached by the Big East), Toledo and Ohio showed some potential this year but beyond that the conference struggles for relevance of any kind in the FBS.  Don't get me wrong, I think that given the resources the MAC has some teams that have done good things, but the truth is that no one raids the MAC very often because there isn't much to raid.

Since: May 27, 2011
Posted on: January 19, 2012 12:24 pm

Pitt, Syracuse not likely on 2012 ACC schedule

How will the WVU fans be able to handle that big time atmosphere  at Kansas State,Kansas,Iowa State,Baylor with their crowds of 35,000 as opposed to WVU sold out close to 70,000. I don't think they will rush the field for a KU or Ia.St win..maybe a win over Texas or Oklahoma will produce fires...then maybe not since they beat Ok the last time...ok,rush the field after beating UT in baseball..I can see that..Tongue out

Since: Feb 28, 2008
Posted on: January 19, 2012 12:23 pm

Pitt, Syracuse not likely on 2012 ACC schedule

I can understand why the Big East wants these teams to stay for 2012, but after this season they should let them go since that is when they will get the replacement teams.  The Big East is only 8 teams as it is, if they let all 3 leave they'd be only at 5 teams for 2012.  Maybe make a deal with the ACC or Big 12 where each team has to play one game at a Big East school till 2014-2015,  Big East vs. ACC games would be decent, and it would give the Big East team homefield since the ACC took Syracuse and Pitt.  Just an interesting idea.

Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: January 19, 2012 11:51 am

Pitt, Syracuse not likely on 2012 ACC schedule

Yes, WVU is better than they used to be, however, as I stated before, it is because of teams like Pitt that worked to get them in to the Big East and make the Big East competitive.  Your recruiting has gotten much easier than it used to be over the years because of our affiliation with the Big East. 

So sPitt got WVU into the Big East and WVU's successes are only because of sPitt's efforts?  Is that really what you are saying? You have to show me where and how sPitt and "other teams" helped WVU get to the level they are at.  If you're saying that WVU part of an AQ BCS conference has helped them then we agree because there is no doubt being in an AQ conference helps recruiting and to draw coaches to a particular school as oppsed to non-AQ.  If you're saying sPitt pulled some sort of strings somewhere to get WVU to the elvel it is, you're going to have to show some evidence of that. 

Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: January 19, 2012 11:20 am

Pitt, Syracuse not likely on 2012 ACC schedule

tneer, Where in any of my posts did I say that WVU sucked?  I am not an immature child that comes on here only to put people down.  My point was if you want to continue to bash Pittsburgh teams, you need to look at the facts of the successes of the teams to put it in perspective.  Yes, WVU is better than they used to be, however, as I stated before, it is because of teams like Pitt that worked to get them in to the Big East and make the Big East competitive.  Your recruiting has gotten much easier than it used to be over the years because of our affiliation with the Big East. 

How do you not call burning furniture in the street and overturning cars a riot?  Your fans are not used to being in the big time and when you are, win or lose, your fans don't know how to handle it.  Again, that is a fact.

Here are some links to riots in Morgantown that you say don't exist.  It took me all of five seconds to find them.

Oh, and here is my favorite about your fans classless acts against the Pitt basketball team.

Your are correct that our teams suck right now, but every team has there ups and downs.  And, it has been proven time and time again that Pitt fans have way more class than WVU fans.  You are certainly proving that on these boards.

Good for you.  What these people call a "riot" I consider just a bunch of fans who got out of hand.  A riot is something more like we see over in Egypt or some of those places.  And Pittsburgh is hardly immune.  Did you look those links up?   Here let me help you out, seems you folks riot over baseball, hockey and the Superbowl. 

Now let me be clear I do not condone "rioting", buring a couch, flipping a car, over a sports event. I've never participated myself, I stay away from certain parts of Morgantown following games just to be safe.  But let's be honest here, you probably could find these sorts of videos about most sports teams fanbases.  The media like to focus in on a few places, like Morgantown, and WVU.  This stuff goes on all over the country and you don't hear about it much but let WVU fans do one thing and wham everyone is on them. sPitt fans will always point their finger at WVU anytime someone lights up a couch when they are no better.  I could start on the riots at Penn State supporting a coach who allowed a child molester to hang around his football locker room for years but I will digress. 
I originally posted in response to posters who continually rant about the "Big Least", because I am tired of the double standard the Big East gets and WVU gets when reality shows a different story.  WVU and the Big East have done fine in the BCS era, better than the ACC and yet there's a hundred threads on sports boards who rant about pulling the BE AQ and not much mention of the NON-PERFORMANCE of the ACC in the BCS. Now why is that?  You said I am name calling, find one place where I name called anyone.  Others on here started personal attacks when they had no point or I disputed their interpretations with facts.  Then sPitt people jumped in on me simply because I support WVU. I can handle the heat, some cannot apparently. Folks like that want to dish it out but seem pretty unable to take the heat.  sPitt sucks.  PERIOD.  sPitt has sucked in football a while now and it looks like your basketball team has fallen on hard times.    That is a FACT Sir, not my opinion.  

Since: Oct 23, 2011
Posted on: January 19, 2012 11:16 am

Pitt, Syracuse not likely on 2012 ACC schedule

Hey stuckidiot4 you wrote in your last comment. it is because of teams like Pitt that worked to get them in to the Big East and make the Big East competitive.  Your recruiting has gotten much easier than it used to be over the years because of our affiliation with the Big East. 

So i guess you are saying that Pitt got WVU into the Big East, thats a joke, WVU AND Pitt Football went into the Big East at the same time 1991. Only Pitts B-Ball was there first and WVU join in B-Ball later. And to say WVU's recruiting has gotten better over the years because of Pitt well hell, i'm still laughing over that remark.

Since: Jan 4, 2011
Posted on: January 19, 2012 10:18 am

Pitt, Syracuse not likely on 2012 ACC schedule

Can we all just agree that the whole College sports system is a joke and that it needs blown-up and redone from the ground up?

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