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Gamecock trustee: count cross-division games less

Posted on: January 20, 2012 12:20 pm
 

Posted by Jerry Hinnen

One South Carolina Board of Trustees member has a proposal to solve the "problem" of his Gamecocks missing out on the 2011 SEC championship game to Georgia, despite beating the Bulldogs head-to-head: make East division games like that one count more than the cross-divisional games that cost Carolina the East title.

That board member, Chuck Allen, recently asked Gamecock athletic director Eric Hyman to request the SEC count intra-divisional games as a full game in the standings and cross-divisional games as only a half-game. If put into practice, the change would have given the 2011 Gamecocks -- 5-0 against the East, but just 1-2 against the West, including a road loss to an Arkansas team Georgia missed -- a trip to Atlanta.

“This (proposal) takes the randomness out of the non-divisional schedule,” Allen told the Anderson (S.C.) Independent Mail. “It doesn’t eliminate it, but it does reduce it. It just seems fair that the team that won all its division games would be the division champ.”

Per Allen, Hyman is expected to pass on the proposal when the SEC convenes to develop a schedule for 2013 and its permanent cross-divisional rotations. Allen (and Hyman) are no doubt just as unhappy with the league's cross-divisional matchups for 2012, though, as they were for 2011, since the projected gap in the difficulty of the Gamecocks' and Bulldogs' respective West opponents has only gotten worse; Carolina will take on the Razorbacks and defending SEC champion LSU (both of which feature in Bruce Feldman's early 2012 top 10) while Georgia gets Auburn and Ole Miss.

“When I talked to (Hyman) his response to me was that he never contemplated it and so he said, ‘Yes, it sounds like a good idea,'" Allen said. "'If you’ll put it in writing (Hyman said), I’ll use it as a vehicle and take it to the conference meeting and we’ll introduce the proposal, argue for it and see what we can do.’”

According to the SEC, though, what the Gamecocks "can do" in the way of overhauling a system that's been in place since the league's 1992 divisional split is "not much." League associate commissioner Charles Bloom said point-blank he does not expect the measure to gain much traction. 

“The philosophy of the league has always been that all conference games are weighted the same,” he told The State newspaper.

We're not unsymapthetic towards Allen and Hyman in this situation; it's not entirely fair that the Gamecocks swept the East and still didn't win the division, and it's not entirely fair they've drawn the Bayou Bengals in the SEC's one-off 2012 schedule while Georgia's hosting the downtrodden Rebels. But our estimate of the number of things in college football that aren't entirely fair checks in at a round 8 bajillion, and we doubt Allen and Hyman are going to ask for all 8 bajillion to be corrected. 

Eventually, inevitably, the league's cross-divisional rotation and West opponent strength will cycle around to give the Gamecocks an edge over the rest of the East, Bulldogs included; will Allen and Hyman still want to make cross-divisional games count less at that point? We seriously doubt it. 

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Since: Jan 2, 2012
Posted on: January 20, 2012 5:48 pm
 

Gamecock trustee: count cross-division games less

Hey, why all this disparaging talk about Ole Miss?!? They will be back when the kids of Eli and Peyton attend university at Oxford and lead the Rebels to renewed glory and greatness.

Oh, for the days of platoon football in the late '50s. Okay, so L.S.U. beat the Rebels then too, but at least the games were close, and in the 1960 Suguar Bowl Ole Miss got their revenge.

As for the Gamecocks, the way forward has to be winning their games and then their will be no grumbling from South Carolina that they got jobbed. 



Since: Dec 1, 2009
Posted on: January 20, 2012 2:55 pm
 

Gamecock trustee: count cross-division games less

Third times the charm?

CORRECTION: Make that last sentence read "secede" where it read "succeed." Although, it sort of makes sense either way, because the good Lord and Paul "Bear" Bryant knows where all of that sissyfying might lead.

GAMECOCKS SHOW THEIR TAIL FEATHERS

"  One South Carolina Board of Trustees member has a proposal to solve the 'problem' of his Gamecocks missing out on the 2011 SEC championship game to Georgia, despite beating the Bulldogs head-to-head: make East division games like that one count more than the cross-divisional games that cost Carolina the East title.

That board member, Chuck Allen,  the SEC count intra-divisional games as a full game in the standings and cross-divisional games as only a half-game. If put into practice, the change would have given the 2011 Gamecocks -- 5-0 against the East, but just 1-2 against the West, including a road loss to an Arkansas team Georgia missed -- a trip to Atlanta.

'This (proposal) takes the randomness out of the non-divisional schedule,' Allen. 'It doesn’t eliminate it, but it does reduce it. It just seems fair that the team that won all its division games would be the division champ.'  "  --Jerry Hinnen

What a breathtaking display of pusillanimity. Give these old ladies their golden tutus.

Contrast these Gamehens cries of "No mas! No Mas!" with the actions of Michigan and Ohio State. In the interests of cross-divisional balance, they were placed in different divisions in the B1g Ten realignment. They INSISTED, however, that they continue to play one another every year--in the final game before the conference championship. They INSISTED that each MUST add the extra risk of a pratfall ruining an otherwise exemplary season. 

I have a modest suggestion for all of Dixieland to consider, in light of this example of "leadership" and the recent drubbing of Clemson by the WEST Virginia Mountaineers. This time, hadn't the rest of Dixieland best secede from the Palmetto State?

Signed,

One frankly appalled Yankee

 



Since: Dec 1, 2009
Posted on: January 20, 2012 2:48 pm
 

Gamecock trustee: count cross-division games less

CORRECTION: Make that last sentence read "secede" where it read "succeed." Although, it sort of makes sense either way, because the good Lord and Paul "Bear" Bryant knows where all of that sissyfying might lead.

GAMECOCKS SHOW THEIR TAIL FEATHERS

"  One South Carolina Board of Trustees member has a proposal to solve the 'problem' of his Gamecocks missing out on the 2011 SEC championship game to Georgia, despite beating the Bulldogs head-to-head: make East division games like that one count more than the cross-divisional games that cost Carolina the East title.

That board member, Chuck Allen,  the SEC count intra-divisional games as a full game in the standings and cross-divisional games as only a half-game. If put into practice, the change would have given the 2011 Gamecocks -- 5-0 against the East, but just 1-2 against the West, including a road loss to an Arkansas team Georgia missed -- a trip to Atlanta.

'This (proposal) takes the randomness out of the non-divisional schedule,' Allen. 'It doesn’t eliminate it, but it does reduce it. It just seems fair that the team that won all its division games would be the division champ.'  "  --Jerry Hinnen

What a breathtaking display of pusillanimity. Give these old ladies their golden tutus.

Contrast these Gamehens cries of "No mas! No Mas!" with the actions of Michigan and Ohio State. In the interests of cross-divisional balance, they were placed in different divisions in the B1g Ten realignment. They INSISTED, however, that they continue to play one another every year--in the final game before the conference championship. They INSISTED that each MUST add the extra risk of a pratfall ruining an otherwise exemplary season. 

I have a modest suggestion for all of Dixieland to consider, in light of this example of "leadership" and the recent drubbing of Clemson by the WEST Virginia Mountaineers. This time, hadn't the rest of Dixieland best succeed from the Palmetto State?

Signed,

One frankly appalled Yankee





Since: Dec 10, 2009
Posted on: January 20, 2012 2:46 pm
 

Gamecock trustee: count cross-division games less

hmm, how about FCS wins as 1/10th.......

That would give the entire conference 1 and 6/10th wins next year.....



Since: Mar 6, 2008
Posted on: January 20, 2012 2:45 pm
 

Gamecock trustee: count cross-division games less

Sorry Gamecocks shouldn't be complaining, they would have lost to LSU just as bad, they weren't going to win anyway.  Florida didn't complain when they went 5-0 against the east and didn't get in, South Carolina didn't.  Besides a little fact the lamecocks seem to have forgotten is that if they would've beaten Auburn like UGA did, they would have played for the SEC title.  Quit complaining and trying to change the system, it has worked since the early nineties!  Lamecocks are only complaining because they didn't get in.  Win your games and quit complaining!



Since: Dec 1, 2009
Posted on: January 20, 2012 2:31 pm
 

Gamecock trustee: count cross-division games less

"  One South Carolina Board of Trustees member has a proposal to solve the 'problem' of his Gamecocks missing out on the 2011 SEC championship game to Georgia, despite beating the Bulldogs head-to-head: make East division games like that one count more than the cross-divisional games that cost Carolina the East title.

That board member, Chuck Allen,  the SEC count intra-divisional games as a full game in the standings and cross-divisional games as only a half-game. If put into practice, the change would have given the 2011 Gamecocks -- 5-0 against the East, but just 1-2 against the West, including a road loss to an Arkansas team Georgia missed -- a trip to Atlanta.

'This (proposal) takes the randomness out of the non-divisional schedule,' Allen. 'It doesn’t eliminate it, but it does reduce it. It just seems fair that the team that won all its division games would be the division champ.'  "  --Jerry Hinnen

What a breathtaking display of pusillanimity. Give these old ladies their golden tutus.

Contrast these Gamehens cries of "No mas! No Mas!" with the actions of Michigan and Ohio State. In the interests of cross-divisional balance, they were placed in different divisions in the B1g Ten realignment. They INSISTED, however, that they continue to play one another every year--in the final game before the conference championship. They INSISTED that each MUST add the extra risk of a pratfall ruining an otherwise exemplary season. 

I have a modest suggestion for all of Dixieland to consider, in light of this example of "leadership" and the recent drubbing of Clemson by the WEST Virginia Mountaineers. This time, hadn't the rest of Dixieland best succeed from the Palmetto State?

Signed,

One frankly appalled Yankee




Since: Sep 11, 2006
Posted on: January 20, 2012 2:09 pm
 

Gamecock trustee: count cross-division games less

If you're going to count wins with different weights, away victories should get more credit than home wins.  Wins over non-BCS schools should get less weight than BCS victories.  Wins over lower division schools (FCS teams, Div II) should get no credit at all.

Or, just suck it up.  The fact is that there will always be some inequities in games drawn (Ole Miss vs LSU) because there is such a small number of games played each season compared to the size of the conference.  If you want to play everyone, get in a conference of 8 to 9 teams.



Since: Aug 18, 2010
Posted on: January 20, 2012 1:40 pm
 

Gamecock trustee: count cross-division games less

In the name of fairness, this proposal makes perfect sense.  All SEC teams are no created equal, and when one team from the East plays LSU and the other plays Ole Miss, that is quite the disparity in talent and competition.  UGA only won the East last year because they played the easier conference schedule.  I like this proposal, even though I am sure it will not pass. 


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Since: Sep 21, 2010
Posted on: January 20, 2012 12:53 pm
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