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The Big 12 still looking to expand

Posted on: January 25, 2012 11:27 am
Posted by Tom Fornelli

Maybe you thought conferences were done expanding after all the movement we saw before the 2011 season started. After all, nobody was shuffling the deck during the season. Then on Tuesday it was announced that Navy would be joining the Big East for the 2015 season, and it looks like the dominoes have started falling again.

According to The Chronicle (subscription), the Big 12 is once again considering expanding the conference. While nothing is imminent, two sources told the paper that the Big 12 adding at least one new member is "very possible."

That new member would likely be Louisville, which shouldn't come as much of a surprise. Before it was announced that West Virginia would be joining the conference, there were reports that half the schools were split on which school they wanted to extend an invitation to. Half wanted West Virginia, half wanted Louisville.

An expansion committee plans to put together a report for the Big 12's Board of Directors next week. Oklahoma athletic director Joe Castiglione, Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds, Oklahoma State president Burns Hargis, and Kansas State president Kirk Schulz make up the committee. 

“I don’t want to send the message, ‘Oh, they’re getting ready to expand,’” Castiglione told The Chronicle. “But you’d be naïve to think there’s not instability still in our business.

“From a transition standpoint, we’re in position now to deal with the reality of our world. We’re going to make some evaluations and reach the best conclusion that helps us stabilize our long-term future.”

The conference seems willing to stay at 11 teams, much like the Big Ten did for years, if it adds Louisville, but if the return of a Big 12 championship game is the ultimate goal, it will have to add a twelfth school. As for which school that would be, BYU is being mentioned as a possibility again. Cincinnati has also been mentioned as an option in the past as well.

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Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: January 25, 2012 1:46 pm

The Big 12 still looking to expand

So basically you're handing Big 12 football over to OU and Texas and making it much harder for Kansas to win in basketball.

TCU and West Virginia haven't exactly been pushovers in the football department lately. They don't have the history of A&M or Nebraska, but they're not pushovers. Heck, you could even argue that TCU is a better football school at this point than either A&M or Nebraska.

Since: Dec 1, 2009
Posted on: January 25, 2012 1:43 pm

The Big 12 still looking to expand

Undertow1959: What the Big 12 should have done as regards the Okla-Neb game was wholly irrelevant to the Sooners. The Red River Shoot-out became all-consuming. Those who controlled the program apparently knew their people well, because there never was any real movement in opposition to the abandonment of the rivalry. Personally, I wouldn't have gotten all that cosy with the Longhorns; they've proven themselves of recent years to be little interested in playing well with others.

Oh, well. The Germans have repeatedly shown their affections for the French in inappropriate ways, yet the French elites continually bat their eyelashes at the Bosch. Some girls just have no self-respect.

Since: Sep 17, 2007
Posted on: January 25, 2012 1:36 pm

The Big 12 still looking to expand

So if the Big 12 takes Louisville does that mean that they are doing it for basketball? Does Pitino quit coaching there because he wants to stay in the BE? Or does this only count when it is another school?

Since: Mar 8, 2011
Posted on: January 25, 2012 1:35 pm

The Big 12 still looking to expand

Agreed, BYU is sitting pretty out there and is really sitting in the driver's seat for themselves.  Louisville and Cincy would seem to make the most sense, since WV is being brought on board. The Big East is going to try to make it tough to leave given their proposed new exit fees though. I was hoping this whoel conference realignment was over, but I am encouraged that the Big 12 isn't sitting idle. It took a good scare to wake them up apparently.

Since: Oct 29, 2009
Posted on: January 25, 2012 1:32 pm

The Big 12 still looking to expand

So you lose Nebraska, Texas A&M, Missouri, and Colorado and replace these four large state universities with TCU, Louisville, West Virgina, and maybe Cincinnati? So basically you're handing Big 12 football over to OU and Texas and making it much harder for Kansas to win in basketball.

Since: Aug 11, 2011
Posted on: January 25, 2012 1:14 pm

The Big 12 still looking to expand

Good Luck getting BYU. They got 13.7 mil just for a so so season. I just looked at their schedule for 2013. and it is an incredible schedule that I wish my Huskers would get. Plus the exposure they are getting. 11 games on ESPN networks for them is dang unfair to the rest of us. 18 mil is being predicted for the 2012 and 24 mil for 2013. You will not get them away from independance.

Since: Jun 26, 2011
Posted on: January 25, 2012 1:11 pm

The Big 12 still looking to expand

The Big 12 should send an invite to Louisville and Cinncinnatti. Going back to 12 teams and having a championship game again wwould be the best option. Also Looking at Colorado State, Memphis, New Mexico, Tulsa, and Tulane would not hurt as well.

Since: Nov 11, 2011
Posted on: January 25, 2012 1:06 pm

The Big 12 still looking to expand

"Not clear why Houston is not part of the discussion. "

I'll tell you why. Back in the old Southwest Conference days they kept out Houston forever. When they finally admitted them Houston recruiting success skyrocketed and in a short period of time they were beating Texas like a drum and winning the conference championship. The last thing Texas wants is for Houston to be admitted and start getting powerful again. Houston more than any other school in the state is capable of beating UT on a regular basis if they were to join the conference.

Since: Dec 1, 2006
Posted on: January 25, 2012 1:04 pm

The Big 12 still looking to expand

What about Boise State??? They should have been given the opportunity to join prior to them commiting to the Big east.
They are more off a geographical fit than WVA and just as competitive if not more so than WVA. Boise does not, or ever will
receive the recognition by the major conferences nor the BCS that they so respectfully deserve. They get ripped off year after year.
Now that they committed to the Big East so that they can qualify for a BCS Bowl, there is now speculation that the Big East may
lose the automatic qualifier. Get Boise in the BIG 12 where they belong and quit giving them the SHAFT!     

Since: Jan 30, 2010
Posted on: January 25, 2012 12:56 pm

The Big 12 still looking to expand

The Big East has most certainly NOT lagged behind the Mountain West. In several seasons, the Mountain West's best was better than the Big East's best, that is true. But the MWC as a whole is not as good as the Big East. Heck, the ACC has trailed the Big East top to bottom some years.

I think the AQ will be a thing of the past, but the ACC champ has stunk it up in the BCS games far more often than the Big East champ. West Virginia owns more BCS wins than the entire ACC does, and trading West Virginia for Boise State isn't exactly bad for the football power numbers. (On every other level, yeah, but not for the strength of the football.)

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