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Saban says Tide will offer four-year scholarships

Posted on: February 29, 2012 12:45 pm
 

Posted by Jerry Hinnen

Alabama was one of 30 BCS conference schools to recently vote against NCAA legislation that would allow -- though not mandate -- schools to offer multiple-year scholarships over the previous system of annual scholarship renewals. And the Tide football program had declined to offer them this past February, with Nick Saban citing lawsuits issued during the previous era of multiple-year scholarships as reason for the program's opposition.

Despite that stance, Saban told the Tuscaloosa News in a Tuesday story that the Tide would join Auburn and Florida (and, with the legislation's survival of the override vote, likely the rest of the SEC) in offering four-year scholarships starting with the 2013 class.

"We're going to offer four-year scholarships," Saban said. "Our whole conference is going to do it, all the schools, I think. And we're happy to do it."

Though we're skeptical a program truly "happy" to offer four-year scholarships would instead vote to prevent anyone from offering those scholarships, themselves included, Saban again referred to the legal ramifications when explaining the opposition of "some of the schools."

"We had the (four-year) rule years ago, and there were legal challenges to it," Saban said. "So we changed to the one-year scholarship then. I think that was why some of the schools had concerns." 

A four-year scholarship would conceivably make it more difficult for Saban to oversign in February and then "cut" players afterwards -- the Tide have seen widespread departures between spring practice and the start of fall camp each of the last several years under Saban -- but he forcefully denied either cutting players or that the new scholarships would have any impact on that issue at any school.

"We don't cut players," Saban said. "I don't know anyone who does. So I don't think that's an issue ... The player will still have to be academically eligible. He will still have to obey team rules and regulations. And the player is still going to have the same rights and the same appeals process that he has now."

Saban is entirely correct that just because School X has committed its four-year promise in writing doesn't mean Player Y is going to be able to skate through four years of school without worrying about the consequences. (He's also right that this could conceivably lead to some legal appeals here and there.) But given the ease with which schools have dismissed players on one-year scholarships in the past -- it's surprising to hear Saban say he "doesn't know anyone" who cuts players, given that SEC West rival Bobby Petrino declined to renew the scholarships of five different players just last year -- we disagree that nothing has changed.

Even if having a promise of four years' worth of education in writing is still just a promise, that's more commitment from their new schools than those players have gotten before.

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Since: Apr 25, 2011
Posted on: March 2, 2012 3:02 pm
 

Saban says Tide will offer four-year scholarships

But as you have soobserved, the fact that it does go on everyday is proof that it always will. I love to tell this story as iot applies to everyday life and exactly waht we are discussing currently. A few years back Jeff Gordon and Ray Evernham too the rule book in the off season and found every rule in the book for building a race car that had a grey-area to it, meaning there was no right or wrong way to do something and they could skirt the lines a bit to build a better car. They went about building one and only one car of this type. they unveiled that car and drove in in a sanctioned non-point race, the all-star race at charlotte which is held in May every year. they did this because they knew once Nascar found out how fast this car truely was, but it was 100% legal to run, they would not let it back on a track again without modifications to a new set of rules they would institute. This car was so fact it could come from the back of the pack to the front in only a few laps, the only way to stop it was to wreck him, but you had to catch him to do it and that was impossible. Anyway, the rules were changed to suit that set of rules they skirted the lines on, which has added to the amount of rules, but given a much more level playing field for all concerned.
The point i am getting to is every year there is a group who finds a new way to skirt the rules, and every year they find a way to block those changes. true innovators are the ones who find ways to play within the rule book but stay on the boundary of right and wrong without tipping over the line too far and getting into trouble. those coaches are the ones with titles and the ones wiithout are the ones who have ethics as a cornerstone. Eventually the ones with ethics(or integrity) as a cornerstone find themselves crossing the line and getting caught because they dont truely know the rules of the sport well enough not to get caught. Applaud the men who learn their craft well enough they can skirt the rules without getting into trouble as they are the true masters of their domain.



Since: Mar 18, 2009
Posted on: March 2, 2012 2:11 pm
 

Saban says Tide will offer four-year scholarships

There is no shame in being a fan who cares only about winning, and there's no need to defend it.  But trying to redefine coaches and administrators, who subscribe to "winning at all costs" as anything else is deceitful to oneself as well as high comedy for the rest of us.  There is just too much of this "do it until you get caught" mentality in our culture already.  Amateur sports should be and could be a place where we all could trust that everyone involved is getting a fair shake.  Not even sure we can say that at the Jr. High level any more.

Does Stanford not come closer to an ideal college sports program for "student-athletes?"  Why shouldn't they be the standard bearer of college football excellence?  This is not about my favorite teams nor is it about yours.  It is about a set of rules and the spirit of those rules that everyone follows to the letter, which is the way it is supposed to be.

And the biggest gap in agreement we have is where "innocent until proven guilty" applies.   That line is for crimes against the state, defintely not intended for skirting, misinterpreting or ignoring the spirit and/or letter of the laws/guidelines/rules for an organization's member schools' amateur athletic competition.  Using your job or career analogy, try using that line with your upper management if you have been suspected of doing something wrong with company assets.  See how long it takes them to get rid of you, even if you haven't been "found guilty" by a jury of your peers. 

That's not the way it should be either, but it is, so we defer to our catch all rule, "It is what it is," the lamest cop out of all time.  None, absolutely none of our commentary justifies it nor makes it right.  But the fact that imbalance does exist and manipulation of facts and rules go on everywhere every day, does not mean they should go unquestioned or unchallenged.  Ever. 



Since: Apr 25, 2011
Posted on: March 2, 2012 1:33 pm
 

Saban says Tide will offer four-year scholarships

Got a mirror?


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Since: Feb 6, 2012
Posted on: March 2, 2012 1:20 pm
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Since: Apr 25, 2011
Posted on: March 2, 2012 1:02 pm
 

Saban says Tide will offer four-year scholarships

You postulate, speculate and bluster, the ONLY talents that most fans can claim.  Winning is all that matters to you and those like you, so every ounce of your brain is dedicated to justifying whatever it takes to win the biggest and prettiest trophies, and ignoring or refusing to believe everything else you hear.  Nice balance.

And on the reverse side there is you, who does the same thing. You look for reasons why your team has sucked out loud for years, ignoring the truth that your coach wont do what is necessary to win, but all the while having some of the top talent in the SEC year in and out. Sometimes its killer instinct, which you find very little of in those who preach to their kids as if its a sermon. How can you have an NFL caliber QB and Running back on the same team, with lines to help and a defense with NFL talent on it and not even compete for a title....coaching talent thats below par or not willing to do what it takes to win.



Since: Apr 25, 2011
Posted on: March 2, 2012 12:46 pm
 

Saban says Tide will offer four-year scholarships

Every criminal or cheater is innocent until proven guilty, right?

You make alot of rambling statements about humans and the systems we support. In this country every human is innocent until proven gulity, so to answer your question with a one word answer.....YES.

The "school book thing" was handy timing for "cutting" a few more under performing players.  Nothing more or nothin less on the moral and ethical charts

If you knew what you were talkingabout you would know you were wrong before you wrote this. Saban actually suspended the players indefinetly, the NCAA came back after a few games and told him that was enough, then turned around and removed games from the University anyway. Saban did the right thing from the moment he found out, and the players ha cut ties with were starters on a team with very little talent, so he basically cut his own throat by suspending them and then not renewing their scholarships the following year.
Nice effort on your part to try to spin it into Saban took the opportunity to get rid of them due to the right timing aspect, shows you are good at seeing what you want to see, but not always the truth.

Being good at skirting the law, guidelines or rules is considered good business practices is some circles, but it is NOT an example of high principles.

And 98% of the population of the world is guilty of this at one time or another in their lifetime, so tell me how many times you have obeyed the speed limit while all those around you have sped by on their way to work. How many time shave to ran a red light if no one was watching. How many times have you done something that was a rule or law, but you knew you would not get caught...its the same principle. Dont live in a glass house and not expect to be called on it. Tell me this....How many commandments have you broken?

You, nor the media (local, regional or national) are allowed open access to the "internal" dealings, including "roster management."  Saban, as you well know, has blatantly stated that neither the media nor the fans "have a right to know" about things, "aight?"

And i agree with this 100%, its none of my, your or themedias business how a kid is let go from his scholarship. That is between the player and the school and not open to public scrutiny. Would you want the world to know that you could not maintain a grade point average, or got caught doing drugs repeatedly after being warned and suspended a couple of times? Would you like it if the world found out you cheated on exams due to being too lazy to study for a test? There are any number of reasons to terminate a scholarship and they are none of our business, so why do you feel that its your business to know?

Regardless of our human frailties, that is absolutely not a defense for those of us, who manipulate the rest of us and the systems we support, just because they can.  There is nothing macho about that.  It is very simply allowing greed and bad behavior to be rewarded. 

Where was the greed in taking the best possible players he could get for his team? Please explain how you can possibly hope to win taking less than the best you can get. I am sure you have gone for a job interview or two in your life, how many times were you hired based on being the least qualified for the job? This is the way of the world and like it or not, the man did the job as it was outlined when he took it. He took the best possible recruits he could get that had asked to play for his school, i would have done the same 100 times in a row, and anyone who doesnt is pandering to public perception and not being true to the paycheck they earn. In todays world winners produce results and losers look for jobs, get on board with the reality of life that just because you would sacrifice your car for the squirrel in the road, does not mean that the rest of us would do the same.






Since: Mar 18, 2009
Posted on: March 2, 2012 12:43 pm
 

Saban says Tide will offer four-year scholarships

No, you can't.  You postulate, speculate and bluster, the ONLY talents that most fans can claim.  Winning is all that matters to you and those like you, so every ounce of your brain is dedicated to justifying whatever it takes to win the biggest and prettiest trophies, and ignoring or refusing to believe everything else you hear.  Nice balance.



Since: Mar 18, 2009
Posted on: March 2, 2012 12:37 pm
 

Saban says Tide will offer four-year scholarships

Can you prove it?



Since: Jan 5, 2007
Posted on: March 2, 2012 12:02 pm
 

Saban says Tide will offer four-year scholarships

Nice try, OJ.  Every criminal or cheater is innocent until proven guilty, right?  The "school book thing" was handy timing for "cutting" a few more under performing players.  Nothing more or nothin less on the moral and ethical charts.  Being good at skirting the law, guidelines or rules is considered good business practices is some circles, but it is NOT an example of high principles.  So, demanding that the doubters show you the proof is the lamest of defenses, unless you are in the courtroom, and we all know how that turns out for more than a few high profile law breakers. 
You, nor the media (local, regional or national) are allowed open access to the "internal" dealings, including "roster management."  Saban, as you well know, has blatantly stated that neither the media nor the fans "have a right to know" about things, "aight?"  Don't tell us about the birth, just give us the baby, "aight?"  Trophies are great, but do they tell the story as it should be known or are we fans simply low brow enough to not care how things are done?  Do we care about anything other than food, sex  and entertainment?  It surely doesn't seem so.

Regardless of our human frailties, that is absolutely not a defense for those of us, who manipulate the rest of us and the systems we support, just because they can.  There is nothing macho about that.  It is very simply allowing greed and bad behavior to be rewarded.  Hey, who cares? Can't we all get trophies for just about anything these days anyway?
hahaha.....I hope your BS helps you sleep better. Yuo haven't a clue what you are talking about...but you go ahead and eep believing your Bs..



Since: Mar 18, 2009
Posted on: March 2, 2012 11:32 am
 

Saban says Tide will offer four-year scholarships

Nice try, OJ.  Every criminal or cheater is innocent until proven guilty, right?  The "school book thing" was handy timing for "cutting" a few more under performing players.  Nothing more or nothin less on the moral and ethical charts.  Being good at skirting the law, guidelines or rules is considered good business practices is some circles, but it is NOT an example of high principles.  So, demanding that the doubters show you the proof is the lamest of defenses, unless you are in the courtroom, and we all know how that turns out for more than a few high profile law breakers. 
You, nor the media (local, regional or national) are allowed open access to the "internal" dealings, including "roster management."  Saban, as you well know, has blatantly stated that neither the media nor the fans "have a right to know" about things, "aight?"  Don't tell us about the birth, just give us the baby, "aight?"  Trophies are great, but do they tell the story as it should be known or are we fans simply low brow enough to not care how things are done?  Do we care about anything other than food, sex  and entertainment?  It surely doesn't seem so.

Regardless of our human frailties, that is absolutely not a defense for those of us, who manipulate the rest of us and the systems we support, just because they can.  There is nothing macho about that.  It is very simply allowing greed and bad behavior to be rewarded.  Hey, who cares? Can't we all get trophies for just about anything these days anyway?


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