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What if....?

Posted on: November 22, 2011 10:32 am
The only sure thing in the BCS title chase entering the second-to-last weekend of the season is chaos.  Well, and that LSU will play for the title if it finishes 13-0.

But, what if....

...Alabama beats Auburn?  Barring other upsets, Alabama is likely to play for the title too, but it's not a sure thing.  Voters could get to December 4th and decide they don't want a rematch and/or do want to reward a conference champion.  Is that likely?  It wouldn't seem so, and the only team I could imagine voters going for otherwise would be current human poll No. 6 Oklahoma State.  It's going to be tough for the Cowboys to catch Alabama with Virginia Tech and Stanford ahead of them in the polls though.

...Arkansas beats LSU?  Well, assuming Alabama beats Auburn also, the SEC West falls into a three-way tiebreaker, which in this case, would be decided by BCS standings and head-to-head.  The lowest-rated team of the three in this coming Sunday's rankings would be eliminated, and then head-to-head between the other two would decide it.

So, traditional voting patterns would indicate LSU would drop to third (he who loses last, loses worst).  That would give Alabama the division crown.  You could also make a case for ordering them Arkansas, LSU, Alabama (they beat each other, of course, but Bama's win came at home, while the others won on the road).  That would give Arkansas the West title.  I can't imagine Arkansas winning and still being third, but if that happened, LSU is still the West champion.

In any event, whichever team won would play for the BCS title as a 12-1 SEC champion.  That team's opponent is more uncertain, but it could be one of its divison foes, or again, Oklahoma State.

...Georgia wins the SEC?  I don't think it's a difficult concept to accept that the top two teams in the country could be in the same conference.  But, if that is truly the case, don't you think one of them could manage to win the league?

If the Bulldogs pull it off, expect them to shoot way up the rankings.  They might end up even being the top rated SEC team in the human polls (assuming they beat Georgia Tech this week).  In 2001, two-loss, Big 12 champion Colorado finished ahead of one-loss Nebraska in the polls, but NU ended up in the BCS title game anyway because the polls were only 25% of the formula back then.
In any event, this is the best case scenario for an Oklahoma State or Virginia Tech (if the voters still love them) to get into the title game.  I doubt very seriously that we would have two non-champion SEC teams playing for the BCS title.  However, if that does happen, Georgia still would get to go the Sugar Bowl as the SEC titlist.  That situation is the one exception to the two-team-per-conference limit.


Since: Nov 22, 2011
Posted on: November 22, 2011 2:57 pm

What if....?

Only one of the three SEC teams at the top of the polls should be in the running to play for the National Title and, how about this, maybe none of them should.  Between LSU, Alabama and Arkansas only one of them is even going to play in the SEC Championship game, the other two aren't even going to win their division in the SEC so let's get rid of them from the start.  It would be a little cloudy if Arkansas beats LSU but only the division winner would be playing Georgia in the SEC Championship game.  What if Georgia wins?  Now the argument (that I don't agree with) is going to be that voters should put a team that didn't even win their conference into the National title game.  Didn't we see what a mistake this was when Nebraska played for the National Title without winning the Big-12 or even playing in their conferences's championship game back in 2001.  (I actually thought procedures were put in place by the BCS to prevent this from re-occurring but since it only makes sense they probably didn't.)  If Oklahoma State, Virginia Tech or Stanford finish the season with only one loss and wins their conference championship then they would be more deserving of an opporunity to play for the National Champioship than a team that didn't even wiin their conference's championship.

If there was a playoff then two of those teams could prove they were the best but we only have the BCS.

Since: Oct 27, 2011
Posted on: November 22, 2011 2:51 pm

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 In 2007 Georgia was 2nd in the BCS behind Ohio St, LSU was 5th in the BCS after losing their final game to ARK, with two loses they still won the west and played a very middle of the road TENN team and barely won the SEC, they then vaulted all the way over Georgia the reason, get this The BCS said Georgia could not go because they were not conf champs. If Georgia upsets LSU and they don't go to the nc game then no SEC team should, there will be to many good teams out there who deserve it more. The SEC is a great conf,yes they are, but the Media needs to stop kissing there butt so much and that goes double for ALA and LSU.

Since: Dec 5, 2006
Posted on: November 22, 2011 2:46 pm

What if....?

I don't want to play what if. I do see a problem with the BCS once again. That problem is that the Alabama - LSU game revealed two great defenses and little offense against each other. That game was brutal. A rematch is going to lose viewers because 1) the offense is what is exciting but not with these two; and 2) we have already seen the outcome in game one. There is little mystery. There is no what if.

The idea of the BCS is all about money. The polls are so subjective and often so wrong that they are inadequate to decide the BCS participants. The computer models are worse. They are all over the map. Taking the average of bad models gives you only a bad average. This has become a running joke. It is time (when the BCS TV contracts expire next year or the year after) to adopt a playoff among the top 16 teams. The bowls can be converted to hosting these games. The rest of the bowls can continue. But the championship should be decided on the field and not it a computer nerd' mother's basement. Then we can all breathe a sigh of relief and RIP BCS.

Since: Oct 11, 2007
Posted on: November 22, 2011 2:37 pm

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Now my BIG question, WHY SHOULD YOU PLAY FOR A NATIONAL TITLE IF YOU CANT WIN YOUR CONFERENCE. only one of LSU or Alabama or ARkansas can win the west therefore have a shot at the conference championship. The other 2 need to drop and look at other conference winners. Its just life

I would tend to agree with this statement, however, this cannot be stated without allowing for exceptions. It is possible that the conference champions for this year could possibly end up as:

Clemson from the ACC with 2 losses and a BCS ranking of 17th
OK from the BIG 10 with 2 losses and a BCS ranking of 9th
Wisc/Mich. St from the BIG 12 with 2 losses and rankings of 14th and 16th
UGA from the SEC with 2 losses and a ranking of 13th
UCLA from the PAC 12 with 3 losses and unranked
Rutgers from the Big East with 3 losses and unranked

So if the requirement is to have won your conference championship, the best NCG we could possibly hope for would be OK vs UGA. Do you honestly think that this would represent the 2 best teams in college football for this season?

Since: Nov 22, 2011
Posted on: November 22, 2011 2:25 pm

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OSU's body of work is greater than Alabama's or Arkansas'?

How do you figure that? #2Bama's OT loss by 3 to #1LSU or #2Bama defeating Arky are somehow worse losses than the OSU suffered at the hands of an UNRANKED 6-4 Iowa State in double OT? 

Or maybe you mean it is because OSU has (or will have) played 4 ranked opponents this year and Bama and Arky will have only played 5. 

That's part of the SOS, maybe it's because the other 6 games they have played were against patsy's. Combined opponents record to date for OSU 66-52. Arkansas 53-65. Maybe your right. Oh wait, Bama's combined opponents record to date is 71-50

soooooo.............. no. Their body of work is not superior their strength of schedule and resume are roughly even with Bama and Arky.

The only superior thing is the superior fail they had by getting beaten by an unranked barely over .500 team. 

And that is why OSU will not play for a BCS championship this year. Besides, they are going to lose to OU. 

Since: Jan 8, 2010
Posted on: November 22, 2011 2:22 pm

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AlaskaBuckeye, the irony is not lost that you would argue against a rematch and for giving OSU a chance given what happened to your team in the 2006 NC game; but being as it may, there are no other undefeateds and Bama is universally thought to be the best 1-loss team. You're blinded by the pretty numbers OSU/Oklahoma have put up. The only barometer we have with which to measure Bama/LSU against others is Oregon, which this year and last year were grounded to a halt by tough defenses. P.S. Georgia Southern ran the wishbone, so the fact they rolled up 300 yards on Bama, which we can all agree has a good defense, is a testament to the unfamiliarity of Alabama to this type of antiquated offense.

Since: Apr 22, 2008
Posted on: November 22, 2011 2:18 pm

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They are #2 in four out of the 6 computer rankings and #3 in the other two.
That is what was being stated.
All that it proves is the computer rankings don't work.  
Two of the computers has Baylor as the #7 team in the country.  
Basically the computers are giving a lot of love to the Big 12 for no reason.

If you know college football and look at the actual schedules the Big 12 is not so strong.
I was pulling for OSU, I wanted them to beat Iowa State. It just didn't happen.

Since: Sep 20, 2009
Posted on: November 22, 2011 2:16 pm

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Sparky84 you hypocrite. Like a lot of people you were all for a rematch when it was your own converence in the BIG 10 in 2006, better yet your own team. However, like many of the other hypocrites on this are now against it for the sole purpose that it is the SEC. A lot could happen this weekend, Ala or LSU could loss and if that happens then so be it...however, with the other teams lossing and Alabama's only loss coming from #1 LSU in OT voters are going to need A LOT to justify not sending Alabama to the title game if they win out.

All I have to say is as of late, the haters bias is really begining to show. Stop viewing this as SEC rematch and view it as a rematch of two of the best teams in the nation.

Since: Jul 25, 2008
Posted on: November 22, 2011 2:16 pm

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Stanford still has Norte Dame on their schedule.  That is a tough for an OOC game.

Since: Mar 9, 2009
Posted on: November 22, 2011 2:16 pm

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I see we have another whinner. Hey, you can always call the phone number. you know, 1-800- WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


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