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What if....?

Posted on: November 22, 2011 10:32 am
 
The only sure thing in the BCS title chase entering the second-to-last weekend of the season is chaos.  Well, and that LSU will play for the title if it finishes 13-0.

But, what if....

...Alabama beats Auburn?  Barring other upsets, Alabama is likely to play for the title too, but it's not a sure thing.  Voters could get to December 4th and decide they don't want a rematch and/or do want to reward a conference champion.  Is that likely?  It wouldn't seem so, and the only team I could imagine voters going for otherwise would be current human poll No. 6 Oklahoma State.  It's going to be tough for the Cowboys to catch Alabama with Virginia Tech and Stanford ahead of them in the polls though.

...Arkansas beats LSU?  Well, assuming Alabama beats Auburn also, the SEC West falls into a three-way tiebreaker, which in this case, would be decided by BCS standings and head-to-head.  The lowest-rated team of the three in this coming Sunday's rankings would be eliminated, and then head-to-head between the other two would decide it.

So, traditional voting patterns would indicate LSU would drop to third (he who loses last, loses worst).  That would give Alabama the division crown.  You could also make a case for ordering them Arkansas, LSU, Alabama (they beat each other, of course, but Bama's win came at home, while the others won on the road).  That would give Arkansas the West title.  I can't imagine Arkansas winning and still being third, but if that happened, LSU is still the West champion.

In any event, whichever team won would play for the BCS title as a 12-1 SEC champion.  That team's opponent is more uncertain, but it could be one of its divison foes, or again, Oklahoma State.

...Georgia wins the SEC?  I don't think it's a difficult concept to accept that the top two teams in the country could be in the same conference.  But, if that is truly the case, don't you think one of them could manage to win the league?

If the Bulldogs pull it off, expect them to shoot way up the rankings.  They might end up even being the top rated SEC team in the human polls (assuming they beat Georgia Tech this week).  In 2001, two-loss, Big 12 champion Colorado finished ahead of one-loss Nebraska in the polls, but NU ended up in the BCS title game anyway because the polls were only 25% of the formula back then.
In any event, this is the best case scenario for an Oklahoma State or Virginia Tech (if the voters still love them) to get into the title game.  I doubt very seriously that we would have two non-champion SEC teams playing for the BCS title.  However, if that does happen, Georgia still would get to go the Sugar Bowl as the SEC titlist.  That situation is the one exception to the two-team-per-conference limit.

Comments

Since: May 23, 2008
Posted on: November 23, 2011 5:07 pm
 

What if....?

Since 2005 this has been a fun game to watch, looking forward to seeing another great performance from both teams.



Since: Oct 14, 2011
Posted on: November 23, 2011 4:56 pm
 

What if....?

jdkla,

Make no mistake LSU is legit.  There are #1 for a reason and they have my vote.  I even have Bama #2,  But I also feel like we are #3.  If all of the no name un ranked teams can be the all powerfuls OUs and OSUs then surely the #3 is capable of beating #1. 

I just think it is a travesty for all three to be in same division. In a way I kind of agree with outsiders.  The SEC Champ game rules should be modified to ensure the best two teams are there not just East vs West.  Now GA has earned there way and as far as I know they may be just as good, but it is just too much firepower in SEC.



Since: Jun 15, 2008
Posted on: November 23, 2011 4:49 pm
 

What if....?

Hog Authority - you better bring your A+ game against the Tigers BUT that won't matter.  LSU this year is NOTHING like last year.  Tigers will be roasting some pork come Friday!!



Since: Nov 7, 2008
Posted on: November 23, 2011 2:57 pm
 

What if....?

So assuming the teams win out as you have proposed here, then you will still get rematches which seems to be the problem for most people.  As I read your post which is good by the way, In another post I had the playoff with only 8 teams, but 16 works too, with same results.  I see it playing out like this: (Results not to be confused with expert predictions and homer bias)

No. 1 LSU vs. No. 16 Louisiana Tech               ==> LSU
No. 8 Houston vs. No. 9 Oregon               =====>Oregon
No. 5 Oklahoma State vs. No. 12 TCU     ======>OK State
No. 4 Stanford vs. No. 13 Rutgers              ====>Stanford
No. 6 Virginia Tech vs. No. 11 Oklahoma ======> VTech
No. 3 Arkansas vs. No. 14 Northern Illinois =====>Arkansas
No. 7 Boise State vs. No. 10 Michigan State ====>Boise
No. 2 Alabama vs. No. 15 Arkansas State  =====>Alabama

1. LSU vs 9. Oregon =====> Rematch,  1. LSU?
5. OK State vs 4. Stanford => 5. OK State
6. VTech vs 3. Arkansas ===> 3. Arkansas
7. Boise vs 2. Alabama  ===> 2. Alabama

1 vs 5 > 1
2 vs 3 > 2

so this playoff will likely yeild the same result and this is what I am talking about when I say that it will not solve anything.  I am speaking about the complainers of rematches and non-conference champs.   



Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: November 23, 2011 2:11 pm
 

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A playoff will not solve it.  There will still be complaints then about the voters putting teams in certain matchups.
No, there wouldn't. A playoff will solve everything because it will be decided on the field. Most of us are sour that the system is a popularity contest rather than a fair way of determining who the best team really is.

Here's how a playoff would look, with the higher seed hosting until the final, which we'd play at a major bowl site/NFL stadium. Since USC is ineligible, Oklahoma slid up a spot and claimed the last at-large bid.

No. 1 LSU vs. No. 16 Louisiana Tech
No. 8 Houston vs. No. 9 Oregon
No. 5 Oklahoma State vs. No. 12 TCU
No. 4 Stanford vs. No. 13 Rutgers
No. 6 Virginia Tech vs. No. 11 Oklahoma
No. 3 Arkansas vs. No. 14 Northern Illinois
No. 7 Boise State vs. No. 10 Michigan State
No. 2 Alabama vs. No. 15 Arkansas State

Well, look at that: Not a single rematch in the first round, and some very interesting matchups. Sure, LSU will cream Louisiana Tech in round 1, but that will generate a lot of interest in Louisiana that the little guy gets a shot at the big boys. Same would be true if NIU gets upset and Arkansas State slides up to meet Arkansas. You wouldn't be intrigued by TCU-Oklahoma State, watching Big Game Bob face Beamer Ball, seeing Michigan State on the blue field or watching Houston and Oregon race to 70?

Round 2 is even better. If it gets by Sparty, Boise can finally put up or shut up against Alabama. Houston gets its shot at LSU, or Oregon earns a rematch. It just keeps going. This is what college football needs.



Since: Oct 14, 2011
Posted on: November 23, 2011 1:12 pm
 

What if....?

There is what you like to see and what is the current BCS rules today.  When you are whining it helps to say what you would like to see versus what the BCS rules yields today.

Out of all of the bitching no one is disputing

BCS

1. LSU
2. Bama
3. Arkansas


I have many flaws with BCS system and SEC tiebreaker rules, but it want change who plays in SEC Champ game this year or NC game.

i.e I think in 3 way tie SEC rule is dumb.  If they want it based on competion, it should be the team that had to play 3 games on the road and went 1-1.  If they want it to be collegial, they should say the team that has gone the longest without attending the game.

IT SHOULD NEVER BE BASED ON BCS.
 

Also for all that are bitching about all SEC title game which is most of you, it would be more credible if at the same time you were saying all three teams fropm SEC should be in a BCS game.  One of the top 3 teams will not be playing in BCS which is ludacrus.  It could actually be LSU!!! 



Since: Oct 12, 2010
Posted on: November 23, 2011 12:45 pm
 

What if....?

When Bama lost to LSU at home, without scoring any touchdowns, they did not fall to back of the pack.  That is the point, they fell from 2 to 5.  This was only three weeks ago...since they they have beaten Mississippi State, which is not that good, and Georgia Southern, which should not even be on their schedule.  For this they should be rewarded with a championship game after not qualifying to play in their own conference championship game?



Since: Nov 7, 2008
Posted on: November 23, 2011 12:06 pm
 

What if....?

While I see your point and would generally agree, I think that it is a sweeping argument.  Would the same be true for say a 16-0 patriot team, or perhaps Norht Carolina beating Duke 2 times in the regular season only to have to face them again in the conference playoffs.  But for the sake of fun, lets say LSU plays OK State or anyone else for that matter and loses, with the Bama winning their BCS game convincingly, then what happens when the BCS/Not BCS championship game produces that result?  That actually sounds a lot like it used to be.  That would be funny.



Since: Apr 21, 2008
Posted on: November 23, 2011 11:53 am
 

What if....?

This year is actually a case where a zero-team playoff may be best.  If LSU wins the SEC undefeated, they're clearly the best team in that conference, end of story.  And they would already have as good a resume as most NC winners, having beaten three Top-5 teams, and two of them away from home.  They already beat Alabama AT Alabama - if they play again and Alabama wins, we have more confusion over who's better, not less.  So let them play a team from another conference, for fun, because we already know they're the best in the SEC.



Since: Jan 8, 2010
Posted on: November 23, 2011 11:40 am
 

What if....?

I don't see the issue, it's not like Bama skipped over a legitimate, undefeated team. This is just a quirky year in that there is only 1 legit undefeated team (LSU). Alabama happened to have lost early enough, went to the back of the line and is now considered the best 1-loss team. I just don't see OSU being able to make up enough points on offense for their crappy defense. They can't stop the run and wouldn't have enough opportunities to score the points, especially against an Alabama or LSU defense. But I can understand why LSU fans wouldn't want a rematch as it might be seen to the rest of the nation as a tainted NC since we don't know how Bama/LSU would fare against the BIG 12 (we know for sure that the PAC 12 is not better than than the top of the SEC as Oregon has been beat up by Auburn and LSU).


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