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Where's Cincinnati?

Posted on: January 19, 2012 6:37 pm
It's a city in the Southwest corner of Ohio, but that's not really what we're talking here.  Bearcat fans are up in arms at the omission of their team from this week's bracket.  They aren't there for a very simple reason -- they don't have much of a case.

First, let's keep in mind that he bracket was posted Wednesday morning, before Cinci won at Connecticut, so that game isn't considered.  Also, remember that the bracket is as if the tournament started then.  I'm not trying to predict what will happen in March.

Bearcat fans point out their second place position in the conference standings.  That's nice, but irrelevant.  Conference standings don't matter at all in March.  They matter even less in mid-January, when only about a third of the conference schedule has been played.

They also mention having beated two or three top 25 teams on the road.  I count one: Georgetown.  It's the only win among their 14 that is over a tournament-quality team.

In fact, the win over Georgetown is pretty much Cincinnati's entire case.

The Bearcats RPI on Wednesday morning was 101.  One Hundred One.  Do you know how bad your schedule and/or losses have to be to have a triple-digit RPI with a 14-4 record?  Only Wyoming had a better record and a worse RPI.

Cincinnati's non-conference schedule ranks 317th.  That is, to be nice, putrid.  And it's going to take more than a win over Georgetown (and UConn, for that matter) to overcome that.  They also have not one, not two, but three home losses, two of which to teams that won't sniff the tournament.  Those are the Bearcats' only conference loss (St. John's) and a loss to a denomination (Presbyterian).  And of course, they also got "zipped up" by Xavier.

So, while that win over Georgetown is nice, the Bearcats have work to do before they erase the black marks on their tournament profile.

By the way - the win over UConn bumped up Cincinnati's RPI to 85.  That's a good start.


Since: Feb 3, 2011
Posted on: January 27, 2012 8:18 pm

Where's Cincinnati?

You also failed to mention the blowout win over Notre Dame,  and the several road wins.  The RPI number means zero cause the rpi is a joke,  The sagrin and the Pomeroy bothin the 40s and the SI at 9 and the ESPN power ranking at 18.    Its not even close

The committee doesnt care about who you lost too,  its who you beat and can you win in the NCAA.  By winning at Uconn and at GT thats shos everyone period

Then too lose or get cheated at West V in OT tells everything.   I refuse to look at this bracket again.     

Since: Oct 9, 2008
Posted on: January 26, 2012 7:26 am

Where's Cincinnati?

Also, remember that the bracket is as if the tournament started then.  I'm not trying to predict what will happen in March.
Exactly! They are still in the top 4 in the Big East yet you have 7 teams going. So Jerry....if the tournament "started today" as you always point out, Cincinnati would be in the tournament.

You contradict yourself throughout this and that's why Cincinnati fans have a beef with it. I'm glad you're not on the selection committee because if you seriously took a 2-5 conference Northwestern team over Cincinnati you should be banned from ever watching college basketball again.   


Since: Mar 6, 2008
Posted on: January 20, 2012 5:55 am

Where's Cincinnati?

Just as a follow-up, Sports Illustrated this week has UC listed as #9 in their power rankings.  I think this is greatly premature of them to have UC listed so high, but they do acknowledge the 9-1 record and their big wins in the Big East.  If UC can knock off either WVU or Syracuse in the coming week, maybe Palm will change his mind!

Since: Mar 6, 2008
Posted on: January 19, 2012 8:20 pm

Where's Cincinnati?

Palm, your argument suffers from some illogic.  You say:

>> Conference standings don't matter at all in March. 

So your telling me that a team that comes in second in one of the top two power conferences in the country wouldn't automatically make it into the tourney?  Since when?  Yes, a second place Pac12 team may not make it in, but they are pretty far down on the list of power conferences. 
>> the win over Georgetown is pretty much Cincinnati's entire case.

Except that they just beat UConn at UConn too.  I know you started your argument above by saying that you submitted the bracket prior to the UConn game, but you submitted the above argument afterward.  Can't you just say "I submitted the bracket prior to the UConn game and now I will have to reconsider"?   But instead, you present a case that makes you seem like you are too stuck up to admit that you could possibly be wrong.

I do agree with your comment that UC has really not played many good teams and they still need to make a case for themselves.  And their #2 standing in the Big East will almost certainly change as they start playing some of the hotter teams.  But one thing you haven't taken into account is that they are currently one of the hottest teams in the country, 9-1 in the last 10.  Their loss to Xavier, the subsequent brawl and the suspensions, and the embarrassment caused by the brawl, has caused the team to refocus and play like a team.  One of the deciding factors by the NCAA tournament selection committee seems to be "who is hot now?" 

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