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Pitino: SEC is 'second-rate' basketball league

Posted on: June 10, 2011 10:31 am
 
By Matt Norlander

Rick Pitino's capability for a good quote has too often gone overlooked. Thankfully, in the doldrums of June, college basketball's second-worst month of the year (only August is worse), Pitino has delivered some fighting words. Words that will have some lasting impact by the time Kentucky and Louisville play each other around New Year's Eve.

And the words aren't even directed at Kentucky -- they're a shot at the SEC. The Louisville coach sent a verbal barb flying Wednesday in the direction of the conference, a clear response to something John Calipari said last week.

After the SEC ditched its two-division format, opting to have one league with 12 teams, giving the league a better chance at more NCAA tournament teams, Cal said, "This is no knock on the Big East but they’ve had 19 teams in the tournament the last two years and how many have made it by the first round? How is this happening? When they start playing each other they say the 11th team is really good. What? We have to figure out how you play the best schedule you can play and still win. That’s different for all of us. I think that’s more important than 16 or 18 (conference) games." 

Card Chronicle also brings up the fact Calipari, in March, said the Big East is a product of "media hype." So Pitino, the former Kentucky coach who led them to a title in '96, clearly knew what he was doing when he said this:

The coach jabbed back just a bit tonight at a Cardinal Caravan event in Shelbyville. When introducing his son, Richard, to the crowd, he said:

"(Richard) went away for a couple of years to learn how to do things in a second-rate league, then get back to the big time."

Richard Pitino spent the past two seasons in the SEC as an assistant under Billy Donovan, a Pitino disciple. It's as much a playful jab as it is an under-the-surface shot. And a truthful one. The Big East has been a better league than the SEC for most of its existence. Undeniable. And Kentucky, you'll remember, saw its 2011 season end in the Final Four at the hands of Connecticut, a Big East team.

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Comments

Since: Nov 28, 2007
Posted on: June 22, 2011 11:31 am
 

Pitino: SEC is 'second-rate' basketball league

They do have more teams than any conference but if you actually read that article, they also have the highest winning percentage.  As far as Siva and Teague it is possible for someone to be better suited for a team.  Siva fits our system as far as creating scoring opps for other players, Teague is a gun...he reminds me of Edgar Sosa in the fact that he looks to shoot first instead of pass...but if you want me to say it I will...Peyton Siva is better than Marquis Teague!!!

Finally after all this time a definitive answer.

You totally discredit yourself with this statement, because your whole argument all along was the ACC was the best based off those stats you posted, so all you were doing all along was twisting stats to suit your argument...so thanks for that...you proved my point for me...

Whoa now hold up a second matthew let's not get to far ahead of ourselves. Afterall I'm not the one using statistics like a drunk uses a light pole to lean on for support rather than illumination. And I still stand by my original post in that the ACC has been the best basketball conference with respects to SOS and RPI since 1998-99.

And again anyone like you yourself have proven anyone can take statistics and twist them to fit their argument. For example you used stats from 2004 through 2008 to support your claims that the Big East is the best conference. How convenient. Prior to that you where claiming Pitino meant the last couple of seasons when he stated that the SEC was a second rate league. And that you where clairvoyant since you, and other UL fans knew he meant the SEC was a second rate "basketball" league and wasn't referring to the SEC being second rate in all sports. And the only thing I've proved for you is that your gates are down, the lights are flashing, but your train ain't coming.

Limited success does not make you relevant, if thats the case you could say UL football is relevant cause we won the BCS orange bowl in 2007!!!

I think LSU is a little more relevant to the sport of basketball than UL is to the sport of football. Given their history of course. Anyway how or why did you bring up football into this discussion since you stated that you knew for a fact that Pitino meant basketball previously? And from what I've seen of UL football fans you probably think a quarterback is a refund but that's another discussion.

You are gonna disagree with me regardless, because you are a delusional UK fan...and the only thing you know how to do is hate on anything other than UK...

Damn you got one right. I am going to disagree with you regardless because you're a delusional idiot. And that has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that I am a Kentucky fan or that you are a UL fan. It's simply the truth. It's your legacy. Embrace it. Just like the part about me hating anything other than UK when anyone with a third grade reading level can clearly see that I've posted statistics from 1998 forward that prove that the ACC has been the best basketball conference yet I'm the hater.

Whatever man. You wouldn't know a clue if it walked up to you, bit you on the arse and said hi, I'm a clue.



Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: June 21, 2011 8:17 pm
 

Pitino: SEC is 'second-rate' basketball league

They do have more teams than any conference but if you actually read that article, they also have the highest winning percentage.  As far as Siva and Teague it is possible for someone to be better suited for a team.  Siva fits our system as far as creating scoring opps for other players, Teague is a gun...he reminds me of Edgar Sosa in the fact that he looks to shoot first instead of pass...but if you want me to say it I will...Peyton Siva is better than Marquis Teague!!!


They sure do. And like I've stated many times over anyone can twist numbers to suit their argument.   You totally discredit yourself with this statement, because your whole argument all along was the ACC was the best based off those stats you posted, so all you were doing all along was twisting stats to suit your argument...so thanks for that...you proved my point for me...

Limited success does not make you relevant, if thats the case you could say UL football is relevant cause we won the BCS orange bowl in 2007!!!

You are gonna disagree with me regardless, because you are a delusional UK fan...and the only thing you know how to do is hate on anything other than UK...Big East is the best and they proved it this year with a National Title...and dispatching your inexperienced Cats twice...maybe the SEC won't be such a second rate conference and you all will get a higher seed than 3 being the best team in the SEC...And I don't care how many teams the BE got into the tourney ultimately only 1 can win...and who was that!!! You know all to well!!!!  Maybe next yr!!! 


 





Since: Nov 28, 2007
Posted on: June 21, 2011 10:14 am
 

Pitino: SEC is 'second-rate' basketball league

Those stats actually came from a UK fan, look it up!  Funny how anything that is different from what you think is phony. 

You posted stats from SEC Sports fan site and claim it's from a Kentucky fan? Why is that? I didn't see anything that indicated where the stats came from in that article or blog whatever it was. Just as it shouldn't surprise anyone that the Big East, as a basketball conference, has the most wins all-time since they have 16 teams compared to most other conferences 10-12 teams.

And i didn't say Siva was better than teague, i said I have seen Teague play and would rather have Siva...

So that's not you saying that you think Siva is better than Teague? I think that if you've watched both Siva and Teague play and then state that you'd rather have Siva over Teague thats saying you think that Siva is better. Right?

The stats you posted were irrelevant to the discussion we were having, becasue we were talking about a comment that Pitino made about a second rate conference (SEC) and a big time league (Big East).  Which I have stated earlier he could have only have been talking about the last few yrs, cause he was in the SEC during the time period of your stats that you based your whole argument on the ACC being the best...

That's your opinion. Many would disagree and I for one definitely disagree. Just like your argument that Pitino was talking about the last few years, yet the stats you posted are from 2004 through 2007-08. That's not current is it? And no Pitino was not in the SEC from 1998 forward. He left UK after the 1997 season remember? The stats I posted previously was from 1998-99 season forward and included all seasons, (including last season) without bias or prejudice and that's why I stated that from the 1998-99 season through the 2010-11 season the ACC has been the most consistent and the best basketball conference.

but when you look at the stats I posted they tell a whole different story. 

They sure do. And like I've stated many times over anyone can twist numbers to suit their argument.

SEC will be the best conference this year though...cause LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St, and all the other SEC teams that haven't been relevant....EVER are on the upswing. 

I suppose you've never heard of Pistol Pete Maravich, Shaquille O'Neal, Glen Davis or Chris Jackson have you? Since 1978, LSU has appeared in the NCAA Tournament 17 times, with 2 Sweet Sixteen appearances, one Elite Eight, and 3 Final Four appearances in that stretch. Overall, LSU has appeared in the NCAA Tournament 19 times, with 2 Sweet Sixteen appearances (in 1979 and 2000), one Elite Eight (in 1980), and 4 Final Four appearances (in 1953, 1981, 1986, and 2006), and a 1935 National Championship to the credit.

Or that Mississippi St. made the final four in 1995-96 before losing to Syracuse? I suppose Florida is irrelevant too as well as Vanderbilt, Georgia, Alabama, and Kentucky. You read it here first folks. The SEC will be the best conference this year even though they've been irrelevant to the sport all these years. Who knew. Just ask Matthew he get's his information straight from the most up to date sources like from lists compiled from 2008, Jerry Tipton, Pat Forde, Eric Crawford and the Bleacher Report.






Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: June 20, 2011 5:26 pm
 

Pitino: SEC is 'second-rate' basketball league

Those stats actually came from a UK fan, look it up!  Funny how anything that is different from what you think is phony.  And i didn't say Siva was better than teague, i said I have seen Teague play and would rather have Siva...

The stats you posted were irrelevant to the discussion we were having, becasue we were talking about a comment that Pitino made about a second rate conference (SEC) and a big time league (Big East).  Which I have stated earlier he could have only have been talking about the last few yrs, cause he was in the SEC during the time period of your stats that you based your whole argument on the ACC being the best... but when you look at the stats I posted they tell a whole different story. 

Here is your link that you asked for:  The statistics provided on this page were compiled largely from information published by the NCAA at www.ncaa.org/stats/m-basketball and (except as otherwise noted) are based on statistics compiled through the 2004 season (although most of the individual teams listed above are current win totals as of the beginning of the 2007-2008 season.

http://www.secsportsfan.com/best-al

l-time-ncaa-basketball-conference-r

ecord.html

SEC will be the best conference this year though...cause LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St, and all the other SEC teams that haven't been relevant....EVER are on the upswing. 



Since: Nov 28, 2007
Posted on: June 20, 2011 3:47 am
 

Pitino: SEC is 'second-rate' basketball league

So i guess you are a college scout now.  

Yep about as much as you are.

Blackshear and Behanan are 26 and 27...in ESPN 100 and higher than that in other rankings.  

See there you go again with half truths. According to Rivals Behanan is #21 but Blackshear is #36. So how is that higher in other rankings?

We don't want Teague, saw him play would much rather have Siva. 

Yeah i've heard that before from duh ville fans. Seems as though I recall several UL fans saying the same thing about Siva being better than John Wall two years ago. Then last year it was Siva is better than Knight. Now this year it's Siva is better than Teague. LMAO. You guys never learn do you. What was Siva's stats for the game against Morehead St.? Oh yeah......1-6 FG's, 0-2 3 pointers, 3 total points, 3 assists, 5 turnovers..Maybe if he hangs around long enough though he'll eventually find a Kentucky PG he can handle is that the plan.

Pitino in a 4 yr span had 1 Final Four and 2 Elite 8's, and he didn't have to run a NBA mini camp where the only goal is to get to the NBA.  He did it with good coaching. 


You mean five year span? The final four was the 2004-2005 season and the two elite eights where in 2007-2008 and 2008-2009 seasons. Thats five by my count unless you're leaving out the 2005-06 season that ended in the NIT or the 2006-07 season that ended in the second round of the NCAA tournament.

But please don't try and sell me on what a great coach he is because I know better. He's a great defensive coach and a great statistician. Nobody breaks the game down the way he once did and charts, tracks everything he does. But good coach that's debatable. From one of your fellow UL fans(not that it matters but a top 1000 here on cbs and a fifty year fan of the cardinals):

The matter of playing time is another very real issue for guys that want to play pro. How much are instruction are they going to be getting when there are 18 guys on the team? Do the Cards need 18 players? Pitino has a way of injuring players in practice so maybe he is making sure he can wear them down in practice and when they get hurt have plenty left to put in a game. Might be interesting for someone to see how many players the Cards have had injured in practice vers in game.
I look at this whole affair as being Pitino trying to grab one last championship before he retires or more likely moves on and not really caring how he goes about it. When he thought his job was in jeopardy cause he couldn't keep his private parts to himself he packed his son off to play for Billy Donovan and and in doing so damaged the recruiting program here. Where was his loyalty to the basketball program then?  


If the above ever became reality you and others like you would be lined up across the fifth street bridge burning him in effigy and telling the whole world what a horrible person he is.

Uk fans hate UL fans because we actually live in houses and not trailer parks, and we don't feed our kids Mountain Dew out of the bottle.  Keep hating cause thats the only thing that you are good at!!!! 

Is that right....well if you ever got out of your momma's basement and actually was allowed outside to play then you'd know that Louisville has it's fair share of trailer parks too son with much worse in them than 'Mountain Dew'.....but I assume you meant moonshine by that remark and since you're probably a crack baby that probably explains it. At least we don't have billboards up across the state with Pitino in a white suit asking if this is your baby's daddy since he's pretty much stayed in the ville these days or the Cleveland Clinic in the summer.

Here is the ranking of the major NCAA basketball conferences by all time winning percentage and number of all-time wins and losses.


That's interesting. All time wins and losses in history? Color me impressed, did you get that from the Pat Forde memorial kiss ricks ass library? Or did you actually take the time to dig something like that up even though you are backing up on what you've wrote here in earlier posts (that's a big shock and proves yet again you're a liar and a fake a$$ phony) about all those stats I posted being irrelevant to this discussion even going back ten years to compare conferences but since you brought it up everyone is suppose to believe what you posted is true? When I've already proven it can't be beaten out of you? Anyway I'd like a link to all those stats you posted hotshot.




Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: June 20, 2011 12:09 am
 

Pitino: SEC is 'second-rate' basketball league

So i guess you are a college scout now.   Blackshear and Behanan are 26 and 27...in ESPN 100 and higher than that in other rankings.  We don't want Teague, saw him play would much rather have Siva.  Pitino in a 4 yr span had 1 Final Four and 2 Elite 8's, and he didn't have to run a NBA mini camp where the only goal is to get to the NBA.  He did it with good coaching. 

Uk fans hate UL fans because we actually live in houses and not trailer parks, and we don't feed our kids Mountain Dew out of the bottle.  Keep hating cause thats the only thing that you are good at!!!! 

Here some stats for you since you like those so much

Here is the ranking of the major NCAA basketball conferences by all time winning percentage and number of all-time wins and losses.


1. Big East - .619 (21,125 – 13,019)

2. ACC - .590 (14,789 – 10,289)

3. Pac 10 - .580 (13,719 – 9,931)

4. SEC - .57923 (15,236 – 11,068)

5. Big Ten - .57918 (14,417 – 10,475) 

6. Big-12 - .566 (15,434 – 11,823)

Which conference has the most teams in the top fifty in all-time college basketball wins by winning percentage? Here you go.


1. Big East – 12 WOW!!
2. SEC – 4
3. ACC – 3
3. Big Ten – 3
3. Big-12 – 3
6. Pac 10 – 2

Thru 2004 Before UL even came into the Big East....so your stats of RPI and SOS which are subjective compared to wins and losses!!!!





Since: Nov 28, 2007
Posted on: June 19, 2011 8:33 pm
 

Pitino: SEC is 'second-rate' basketball league

Because my friend you are a hater.  I haven't really dogged UK at all, even though I can't stand them, I at least show them respect.  You are the reason everyone in the country hates UK fans!!!!!


First of all we aren't friends, pals, or buddies. Second, pot meet kettle hater. Third, I am the reason? lol thanks I appreciate that but you're getting a little to personal now but I do appreciate the credit for that. And as far as that goes you wonder why Kentucky fans hate UL fans...Look in the mirror sunshine, respect is a two way street if you want respect try showing a little first. But at least we agree on one thing and that's we don't like each other so go to hell. L yeah?

And as far as showing Pitino respect you've got to be kidding me. I was joking before but you really are a delusional idiot if you're copying and pasting articles from bleacher report to support your arguments here. Pitino deserves what he gets. He left on his own made his own bed whatever cliche you want to use but the fact remains it was his decision. Nobody made him do or say any of the things he's done and said. So if you want to pucker up and kiss his arse be my guest. But you can forget a Kentucky fan doing that.

Got Teague? As far as Calipari he's already brought more five star recruits to Kentuky than Gillispie, Tubby, and Pitino combined in two and half years. Took UK to an elite eight season before last and a final four last season. Where was UL? Getting stomped by Morehead st. right?

Apparently because he has the hot hand in recruiting even though you choose to deny the obvious with your statement that Pitino signed five ESPN top 100 players. Which ones are in the top twenty five again? Behanan? The kid is fifty pounds overweight and can't jump. Blackshear? Price? Nunez? Ware?

Keep dreaming bullwinkle. My two favorite teams Kentucky and whoever curbstomps UL.



Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: June 19, 2011 5:43 pm
 

Pitino: SEC is 'second-rate' basketball league

How has Calipari dominated Pitino, he's got 2 wins i wouldn't quite call that dominating.  What exactly has John Calipari done?????  Besides have wins and Final Fours vacated!!!!  Nothing... 

2 recruits decommitted and only 1 was even worth anything (Purvis)...Pitino is not living in anyone's shadow signing 5 ESPN Top 100 players in 2011. 

You should take a little advice from one of your fellow fans!!!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/

730328-kentucky-basketball-rick-pit

ino-deserves-kentucky-fans-respect-

not-hate

Because my friend you are a hater.  I haven't really dogged UK at all, even though I can't stand them, I at least show them respect.  You are the reason everyone in the country hates UK fans!!!!!



Since: Oct 20, 2008
Posted on: June 19, 2011 3:39 pm
 

Pitino: SEC is 'second-rate' basketball league

Pitino knows all about seconds.  Like 15.



Since: Nov 28, 2007
Posted on: June 19, 2011 2:29 pm
 

Pitino: SEC is 'second-rate' basketball league

You have got to be kidding...ACC #1...over the past few yrs?  It absolutely kills you that the Big East has been the best basketball conference the last few yrs, so much you can't even admit it, not because its the Big East its because that is where UL is.


Kidding? No...I wouldn't shat you since you're quickly becoming my favorite turd around here but stats don't lie unlike some people. Yes in the last couple of seasons the Big East has been good but the fact remains that alot of their hype is media driven. Just like Calipari pointed out.

And yes even though you don't want to admit it the ACC over the past ten-twelve seasons has been the best in basketball with respects to the RPI and SOS. Fact.

And just so you know you're wrong again. I don't dislike the Big East because of UL. I simply despise UL and it's fans period. Regardless of which conference they happen to play in whether it's the old Metro conference, C-USA, or now the Big East.

I didn't like them when Kentucky legislators(for the lack of anything better to do) threatened to pull state funding from UK back in the early 80's at the behest of Denny Crum and his followers anymore than I do now. And just so you know that game was originally set-up to help UL out. But youse guys don't need Big Brother anymore since you finally play in a conference that has some competition in it unlike playing a season full of pantsy's like sister mary's school for the blind and gifted.

So start a petition to cancel it big guy.


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