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Pitino: SEC is 'second-rate' basketball league

Posted on: June 10, 2011 10:31 am
 
By Matt Norlander

Rick Pitino's capability for a good quote has too often gone overlooked. Thankfully, in the doldrums of June, college basketball's second-worst month of the year (only August is worse), Pitino has delivered some fighting words. Words that will have some lasting impact by the time Kentucky and Louisville play each other around New Year's Eve.

And the words aren't even directed at Kentucky -- they're a shot at the SEC. The Louisville coach sent a verbal barb flying Wednesday in the direction of the conference, a clear response to something John Calipari said last week.

After the SEC ditched its two-division format, opting to have one league with 12 teams, giving the league a better chance at more NCAA tournament teams, Cal said, "This is no knock on the Big East but they’ve had 19 teams in the tournament the last two years and how many have made it by the first round? How is this happening? When they start playing each other they say the 11th team is really good. What? We have to figure out how you play the best schedule you can play and still win. That’s different for all of us. I think that’s more important than 16 or 18 (conference) games." 

Card Chronicle also brings up the fact Calipari, in March, said the Big East is a product of "media hype." So Pitino, the former Kentucky coach who led them to a title in '96, clearly knew what he was doing when he said this:

The coach jabbed back just a bit tonight at a Cardinal Caravan event in Shelbyville. When introducing his son, Richard, to the crowd, he said:

"(Richard) went away for a couple of years to learn how to do things in a second-rate league, then get back to the big time."

Richard Pitino spent the past two seasons in the SEC as an assistant under Billy Donovan, a Pitino disciple. It's as much a playful jab as it is an under-the-surface shot. And a truthful one. The Big East has been a better league than the SEC for most of its existence. Undeniable. And Kentucky, you'll remember, saw its 2011 season end in the Final Four at the hands of Connecticut, a Big East team.

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Comments

Since: Sep 26, 2008
Posted on: June 15, 2011 10:07 am
 

Pitino: SEC is 'second-rate' basketball league

 You probably can't name 1 single player from any of the 4 championships that UK won prior to 78, and probably can't name any off that team yet you call yourself a fan!!! 

UKFan68 is going to open up a BIG ole can of whoop a$$ over THIS comment. I need to get some popcorn and a beer....then sit back and enjoy the beatdown about to happen.



Sorry no one cares about who won the NCAA back in the 50's...

Funny thing is.....EVERYONE will be saying this same thing to Loserville fans 50 years from now, when Loserville is STILL sitting at 2 National Titles.

It's funny how only UK fans are on here arguing about the SEC being second rate...i have seen other fans from SEC schools agreeing with Pitino, but we know UK fans are way to backwards to admit to that!!!


First off....PROOF....please back up your claim and show us where other SEC fans have agreed with Slick Rick. (I bet you can't.)

Again, as for second rate....UKFan 68 has already put you in your place MANY time over, so at this point, it's just easier to call you STUPID!!




Since: Sep 26, 2008
Posted on: June 15, 2011 9:58 am
 

Pitino: SEC is 'second-rate' basketball league

Well first off dummy the peach basket era was somewhat of a joke...You probably never played basketball a day in your life so you have to get all your info about it from the internet....Again with the cutting and pasting....do you have any thoughts on your own....This was about UK vs UL in modern day basketball....what has all those mcdonalds all americans, ncaa tourney appearances, sweet 16 appearances...and blah blah blah....modern day basketball UK 3 championships and UL 2....that is really all the stats that even matter....so go cut and paste some stats on kysportsradio.com where you have some people that actually give a crap about them!!!!!!!!



Two can play this game...here are relevent stats for you.....

Since 1990.

National Titles: Kentucky 2, Loserville ZERO
National Runner-Up: Kentucky 1, Loserville ZERO
Final Fours: Kentucky 5, Loserville ONE

Now, at this point, do I REALLY need to keep going? No, I don't. So, in the MODERN ERA of college basketball, Kentucky IS STILL superior to Loserville....and those facts just proved it.

Care to post again?

I COULD include the 1980's, but considering that conferences were able to set their own rules (see shot clock game), and the three point line truly wasn't in effect....that means that the 1980's weren't TRULY considered the 'modern era" of basketball. So, just as you exclude Kentucky's history prior to the 1980's, we must ALSO exclude Loserville's history of the 1980's, which was the ONLY decade that Loserville ever accomplished anything.




Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: June 14, 2011 11:17 pm
 

Pitino: SEC is 'second-rate' basketball league

the only thing ukfan68 is gonna do is cut and paste some stupid stats that mean absolutely nothing...The SEC is a second rate conference...just ask the experts SEC was ranked #6 in conference RPI....let me cut and paste that for you in case you have a problem understanding what I just wrote

#1 Big East
#2 Big Ten
#3 Big 12
#4 Mountain West
#5 ACC
#6 SEC

ENOUGH SAID!!!!


You probably can't name 1 single player from any of the 4 championships that UK won prior to 78, and probably can't name any off that team yet you call yourself a fan!!!  Sorry no one cares about who won the NCAA back in the 50's...It's funny how only UK fans are on here arguing about the SEC being second rate...i have seen other fans from SEC schools agreeing with Pitino, but we know UK fans are way to backwards to admit to that!!!



Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: June 14, 2011 10:57 pm
 

Pitino: SEC is 'second-rate' basketball league

Well first off dummy the peach basket era was somewhat of a joke...You probably never played basketball a day in your life so you have to get all your info about it from the internet....Again with the cutting and pasting....do you have any thoughts on your own....This was about UK vs UL in modern day basketball....what has all those mcdonalds all americans, ncaa tourney appearances, sweet 16 appearances...and blah blah blah....modern day basketball UK 3 championships and UL 2....that is really all the stats that even matter....so go cut and paste some stats on kysportsradio.com where you have some people that actually give a crap about them!!!!!!!!



Since: Nov 28, 2007
Posted on: June 14, 2011 4:24 pm
 

Pitino: SEC is 'second-rate' basketball league

You are absolutely correct sir, but you know why UL will never equal what UK has....cause we can't go back to the peach basket era and win 4 National Championships...

Allow me to correct that for you.....it's because you and likeminded others like you(however small a group you represent inside the 264 loop) will never have an entire states support. And as in the past you will continue to parade around and get butt hurt and offended because you do not and furthermore will never get the recognition and support you think you deserve and are entitled to in the state of Kentucky. No matter how many Rick Pitino's or Denny Crums you hire or how many arenas you build and no matter how many times the states politicians step in on your behalf and force Kentucky to play Louisville and threaten to withdraw state funding none of that matters. You will continue to be owned on and off the basketball court by the University of Kentucky.

Now as far as that peach basket comment again that just proves how big of an idiot you are. Naismith invented in the game in 1891 and in 1906 those peach baskets where replaced by a metal hoop. Kentucky didn't win it's first National title until 1948....57 years after the game had been invented. Also, since Louisville was first founded in 1798, 67 years before the University of Kentucky in 1865 how is it Kentuckys or it's fans fault that UL didn't become relative to the sport until 1980-86 and haven't done anything since yet you think UL is somehow on the same level.

You should actually compare the 2 teams in the modern era of basketball and see how much greater UK is than UL and then get back to me!!!!!

First of all why should I exclude Kentucky's history and tradition just to appease you. You're the one that wants to measure correct. My point is that anyone can twist numbers. And of course since UL hasn't been relative to the sport of modern basketball until 1980 I can assume that's what you're considering the "modern" era of the sport. But just for the sake of argument...

Kentucky is better than Louisville this past season

Kentucky destroyed Louisville by 15 points the last time they played (Dec 31, 2010) 
AP Voters think Kentucky is better than Louisville (Latest AP Poll: #11 vs #14)
Computers think Kentucky is better with an RPI this season that is better than Louisville (RPI: #7 vs #16)
  
Kentucky is better than Louisville historically

Kentucky has more NCAA Tournament appearances over the last 10 years than Louisville (9 vs 7) 
Kentucky has more Sweet 16 appearances over the last 10 years than Louisville (8 vs 3)
Kentucky has a much better overall winning percentage over the last 20 years (0.784 to 0.670)
AP voters think Kentucky is better with more weeks in the AP Top 25 over the past 10 years than Louisville (147 vs 117)
Kentucky has defeated Louisville the last 2 times they've played.
Kentucky has an average margin of victory of 13 over Louisville in 19 wins since 1982
Kentucky has blown out Louisville by 20 points or more on 4 occasions since 1996  

Kentucky players are better than Louisville players
 

Kentucky has recruited more McDonald's All-Americans out of high school than Louisville (32 vs 17)
Since 1998 Kentucky has recruited more Top 10 high school players than Louisville (8 vs 1)
Since 1998 Kentucky has recruited more Top 50 high school players than Louisville (24 vs 13)
Over the past 10 years Kentucky has had more players drafted by the NBA than Louisville (10 vs 4)

The SEC is a better conference than the Big East


The SEC has had 2 more NCAA Tournament Championships than the Big East over the past 5 years
The SEC had fewer blowout games in conference (meaning there is greater parity within the conference) than in the Big East 
The SEC has teams that are better at scoring, steals, and three-point shooting than any team in the Big East
Last year the top ranking player between the two conferences for rebounds, three pointers, assists, steals, and blocks is inSEC 

Kentucky is a better school than Louisville


More violent crime happens in Louisville so be careful if you visit (when compared to Lexington -- according to the FBI)
More property crime happens per capita in Louisville so you better protect your valuables if you visit (when compared to Lexington -- according to the FBI)
Kentucky has more Top 50 Director's Cup finishes than Louisville (16 vs 5)

Now do you want more or are you ready to shut the hell up?



Since: Sep 26, 2008
Posted on: June 14, 2011 4:09 pm
 

Pitino: SEC is 'second-rate' basketball league

The BE is easily better than the SEC, not even close, not even an argument.


And this is the problem. Comments like this, correction.....OPINIONS like this, and the lack of facts to back up that opinion. For the record, the SEC faired QUITE well last year against the Big East. Kentucky went 3-1 against them, and Tennessee knocked off the "mighty" Pitt on their home court, and won a few more games. Those are FACTS and not OPINION. For years now, the Big East pundits have been claiming that the Big East was the best all around conference....despite only having ONE NATIONAL TITLE amongst all 87 schools in the conference since expansion. And, when 11 schools make the tournament, but only one gets to Final Four, everyone STILL pounds their chest because ELEVEN SCHOOLS MADE THE TOURNAMENT. Bull Shit. Loserville sucked, losing to Morehead St. In fact, Loserville isn't even the 2nd best school in the state.

Want to make the claim again that the Big East is better????? Then use facts.



Since: Oct 25, 2007
Posted on: June 14, 2011 3:29 pm
 

Pitino: SEC is 'second-rate' basketball league

Coach Cal is bitter. He doesn't like UL dating back since Memphis. And that's fine. But he started it so I think you UK fans are overreacting a bit. So Coach Cal can call the BE overrated, but Pitino's comment is way out of line? There's no point in arguing with you fools. The BE is easily better than the SEC, not even close, not even an argument. Plus, Pitino was joking, Cal is dead serious. You guys are way too sensitive. You have T-shirts in the gas station saying "We're better than you," then cry like a bunch of girls anytime anyone says anything bad about you. Oh, they're haters, they must be jealous. Nope. They just hate you and your arrogance.

You want credit for being one of the best programs of all time? Then show some class. You want to be the top dog, so you will be scrutinized like top dog. Cal doesn't have 500 wins. Own it.




Since: Nov 28, 2007
Posted on: June 14, 2011 12:10 pm
 

Pitino: SEC is 'second-rate' basketball league

These statistics that you posted only prove that you have way too much time on your hands.  You can't even name the teams in the BE in the late 80's to early 90's without googling it.  Wake up, the SEC is whack in basketball....you know it, I know it and the whole country knows it.  As for the Pitino stamp, its worked out just as good for UL as it has for UK since he left ( 1 F4 and 2 Elite 8's for UL) (1 F4 3 Elite 8's for UK).  So there are some significant stats for you so go cut and paste that!!!!!!!!

Did I hit a nerve? Hurt your feelings? Are you mad yet? lol....anyway I can see now your not much of a statistics sort of person that likes to use analysis and interpretation of numerical data like you know facts to actually support your opinions. That's fine though. So since you're not into facts is it safe to assume you're more of a philosophical kinda guy then? Concerned with the deep questions of life perhaps? You tell me....

Anyway back to your post. First why would I concern myself with what teams where members of the Big East in the 80's or 90's? If I need to know I'll google it as you said. But more importantly how is that relevant to this conversation since you like the word relevant. When did UL become a member of the Big Bad East.....2006?

Second if the SEC is whack in basketball.....What's whack mean anyway? I assume thats a derogatory term. But I seem to recall Kentucky being in the final four this past season. Where was UL? Not to mention three teams in the college world series and the national champion(Auburn) in college football. Seems as though the SEC is holding it's own against the other conferences to me.

You did forget the national title that Pitino won at Kentucky slick. That's one more than he's won at UL now go and ponder the meaning of that. Show me some of that calmness, restraint Gandhi, or is it just resignation in your eyes. Face it he's not the same coach he was at UK. Hows that for signifcant and relevant?

You my friend obviously need some type of counseling, please read the story again, and you tell me where Pitino even mentioned anything about the SEC in the 80's or 90's.  You just went and tried to find anything you could to try and disprove Pitino...who cares about Cal beating Pitino in 95 (irrelevant) UL losing to Morehead St (irrelevant) Denny Crum leaving UL (irrelevant) UL Caravan (irrelevant).  Your whole post was nothing but some irrelevant ranting that had no point whatsoever...Get at me when you have something intelligent to say about the story that was posted!!!!

I very well may need counseling but if I do then it's a safe bet you need strong medications and some therapy of your own with some of the crap you've posted here and I didn't just go and try to find something to disprove Pitino. Learn to read. It wasn't difficult at all. The stats stand for themselves.

But ok if you think you can come up with an intelligent thought without using a lifeline then why is every setback that's went on in the last decade with the UL program irrelevant to you and to this conversation? Why is it that the UL caravan is irrelevant since according to this story thats where Pitino made this comment to begin with and why is it that everyone including you are turning this into a basketball only related comment when Pitino's exact words where:

"(Richard) went away for a couple of years to learn how to do things in a second-rate league, then get back to the big time."

That comment seems to be all encompassing to me. Doesn't it you? And if Pitino is referring to the SEC as a whole being second rate then please explain to me how that's even remotely true when the in the past year alone they've had a team in the final four(UK), three teams out of eight in the college world series(Vanderbilt, South Carolina, and Florida) as well as the national BCS champion (Auburn). Sounds to me like Pitino is talking crap out of his arse. I know it's those small intimate settings that always get's him in trouble isn't it. Just like dimly lit restaurants.

So take your coach that has done absolutely nothing in his entire coaching career except be the only person to have 2 Final Fours vacated from 2 different schools, and we will take ours who is officially the only coach to take 3 different teams to the Final Four!!!

Gladly. Now you can go back to chewing your toenails or whatever it is you do and wear that I got Rick(rolled) t-shirt with pride. But since when did people actually start giving an ish about going to a final four? Those aren't titles or trophies son. Talk to a few Duke, Kansas, or North Carolina fans about that. Also you seem to have forgotten that he may have taken three schools to a final four but he's only got one ring and he won that one at Kentucky. How's that for relevant.




Since: Sep 26, 2008
Posted on: June 14, 2011 9:52 am
 

Pitino: SEC is 'second-rate' basketball league

You are absolutely correct sir, but you know why UL will never equal what UK has....cause we can't go back to the peach basket era and win 4 National Championships...and then use that like that was the greatest accomplishment that has ever been recorded in history...You should actually compare the 2 teams in the modern era of basketball and see how much greater UK is than UL and then get back to me!!!!!



I'm sure that UKfan68 will be putting you in your place later, but to ignore Kentucky's early history is just plain ignorant on your part. Fact is, Loserville was never relevent until Denny Crum took over. Prior to him, Loserville SUCKED. But, if it makes you feel better to not count the "peach basket" era of Loserville basketball, then go for it. Fact remains, Kentucky is and always will be better than Loserville.



Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: June 14, 2011 12:36 am
 

Pitino: SEC is 'second-rate' basketball league

You are absolutely correct sir, but you know why UL will never equal what UK has....cause we can't go back to the peach basket era and win 4 National Championships...and then use that like that was the greatest accomplishment that has ever been recorded in history...You should actually compare the 2 teams in the modern era of basketball and see how much greater UK is than UL and then get back to me!!!!!


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