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The ACC is about to get even better in hoops

Posted on: September 17, 2011 2:06 pm
Edited on: September 17, 2011 2:19 pm

By Gary Parrish

You don't apply for membership to the ACC unless you already know you'll be accepted.

So this is happening.

Syracuse and Pittsburgh -- two of the Big East's most important members -- are heading to the land of Duke and North Carolina, and though I'm not certain what it does for the ACC in football other than ensure commissioner John Swofford will run what's on track to be the first so-called super conference, the basketball aspect of this is exciting.

The ACC was already arguably the nation's best basketball conference.

Now it won't even be debatable.

The league is about to add two perennial and rock-solid top-25 programs .

Mike Krzyzewski and Jim Boeheim are the active leaders in victories.

Now they'll be fighting for the same league championship.

That's a cool future for the ACC.

Meantime, where the Big East goes from here is anybody's guess.

One option might be to try to pluck Kansas and Kansas State from the Big 12 to get to nine all-sports members (once TCU is added), but West Virginia could still, at some point, leave for the SEC, and Rutgers is always an option for the Big Ten. In other words, the Big East is just as vulnerable as the Big 12. One of the leagues might survive, at best. But the most likely scenario has leftover members from both leagues merging to form something that's a geographical mess and notch below a soon-to-be-enhanced SEC, Big Ten, ACC and Pac-12.

"Whatever happens, we'll have to adjust to it," Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim told by phone on Saturday. "I'm not commenting on Syracuse to the ACC, but in general I'm saying that I don't see how it's a good thing to have all these huge conferences. But I may be wrong. That's my opinion -- and I'm old. ... [But] some day we'll get to 16-team leagues and everybody may look back on it and say it wasn't such a great idea."

Most agree with Boeheim because there's a chance this makes everybody more money at the cost of happiness.

Traditional powers will have a tougher time winning league titles.

Traditional losers will have a tougher time breaking through.

Traditional rivalries will be sacrificed.

But complaining about those things is like sitting around and complaining about how children don't play outside anymore. Or how our country would be better without fast-food chains on every corner. Or how the BCS ruins college football's postseason. Like it or not, these are the times in which we live. Super conferences are coming, and Swofford should be credited for being proactive in this eat-or-be-eaten world. He's on the verge of poaching two of the Big East's all-sports schools and ensuring the ACC survives this grand shift in the landscape of college athletics, and by doing so he's seriously enhanced the basketball side of his conference.

Yes, I know, basketball isn't what's dictating any of these proposed moves.

But that doesn't mean basketball won't be affected.

Or, in the ACC's case, vastly improved.

Photo: AP


Since: Dec 21, 2008
Posted on: September 18, 2011 10:19 am

The ACC is about to get even better in hoops

As an SU and BE fan this is tough to see....but I have to agree with The Gasman that all the non-football schools in the BE create a bad dynamic in this day and age of is big money! It looks like SU and Pitt see the writing on the wall. Would love to see WV get over to the ACC now as well...seems to make sense.....

Since: Aug 11, 2006
Posted on: September 18, 2011 9:20 am

The ACC is about to get even better in hoops

This sucks.. boston coll was bad enough... 2 more northern schools.... ughhh

Since: Oct 25, 2006
Posted on: September 18, 2011 8:49 am

The ACC is about to get even better in hoops

Big East Football wasn't too good but the ACC Football isn't much better either.  This move may make sense financially but that may be it.  Adding Pitt and Cuse to the football side of it doesn't really make it that much better.  Both are now mediocre programs with rich history but haven't done much lately.

Since: Mar 26, 2009
Posted on: September 18, 2011 8:00 am

The ACC is about to get even better in hoops

Sorry pittboss...Pitt post graduate here and I love the move.  C'mon man, we all agree that the Big East conference (for basketball) is awesome...great rivalries, incredible competition.  But as a football conference - awful!  This move puts both Pitt and SU in great position financially (which is what college is all about these days) and a chance to be a part of an established ALL INCLUSIVE conference...which the Big East commissioner failed to do, and will never accomplish.

The conference has so much dead weight right now with the basketball only schools such as Depaul, Seton Hall, Providence, St. John's even Villanova & Georgetown.  It's not the landscape of college athletics anymore.  The Big East was born as a basketball only conference.  And the whole ND thing being in for everything BUT football - ridiculous.  The BE should have never accepted that. 

It's time...time for Pitt to move on.  And even though the Big Ten may have been a better fit geographically, I'm lovin' the move to the ACC. 

Since: Nov 2, 2006
Posted on: September 18, 2011 7:00 am

The ACC is about to get even better in hoops

Baylor is dead weight athletically. I'd like to have one conference without any teams west of the Mississippi. If we had to take a second team, Kansas.

Since: Nov 6, 2010
Posted on: September 18, 2011 3:39 am

The ACC is about to get even better in hoops

At least Dick Vitale will be happy.  Now he can jump on the jocks of SU and Pitt like he is for NC and Duke.  I know one thing.....recruiting just got a whole lot tougher for Duke and NC.  Now with the Cuse and Pitt in the it is a legitimate Basketball power once again, as it was starting to turn into the Duke and NC show every year.  Look forward to some great basketball.  I look at all these post's and I can't understand why some Big East fans are upset.  I want to measure SU's program against the best every year.  Duke and NC give us the ability to do that.  And recruiting, which is already solid at Syracuse will only get better.  Okay....the old rivalries...I get it.  I use to have my mom drop me and my buddies off at the dome on Sunday's in the winter for SU - Georgetown, SU-St Johns, SU-UCONN and so forth.  It was great basketball to witness.  I saw players like, Pearl Washington, Patrick Ewing as a freshman, Chris Mullins, Walter Berry and many more.

I will miss those times.  But to be honest, I look forward to this challenge.  The rivalries in the Big East are getting stale, admit it.  St Johns has been down for several years, and Georgetown just does'nt get people excited like they used to SU.  People, calm down.....things change, you can't stop it and you can't control it, so to cry like a bunch of little girls is meaningless.  Focus your energy on telling Duke and NC they may have to put a few more L's in the loss column every year.  Should be fun.  Take care eveyone and relax, sheesh.

Since: Nov 27, 2009
Posted on: September 18, 2011 2:32 am

The ACC is about to get even better in hoops

figures ACC is Parrish's favorite conference

Since: Aug 19, 2006
Posted on: September 18, 2011 2:01 am

The ACC is about to get even better in hoops

Why do we have to keep reading about all this crap until it actually happens?  Why would Syracuse or Pitt want to move to the ACC in basketball when the Big East is just as competitive or better?  I could care less if the Big East is dead or the Big 12 is going down the toilet but what is going to be the reg for an amount of teams for each conference?  I'm okay with change but this entire situation is getting ridiculous and the funny part is it all kind of started when TCU decided to move to the Big East.  Maybe I'm wrong on that assesment but when they decided to change it seemed like that was the spark that made it okay for any school to go anywhere regardless of where they were located.  I guess I'm more old school but as far as I'm concerned its more entertaining to play schools closer than it is to play ones who are 500 miles away.  I didn't major in economics but I will also go ahead and predict you wont get as many fans from the opposing schools when the other school is hundreds of miles away either.  We all want to see a level playing field but it seems like the powers at be want to see the best in basketball together and the best in football together and I don't believe that always works out for the best. 

Since: Oct 8, 2006
Posted on: September 18, 2011 12:39 am

The ACC is about to get even better in hoops

As a Pitt grad and huge Big East fan, this disgusts me.  It certainly has been fun debating between who is the best in basketball: the Big East or the ACC?  I think the Big East Tournament is actually more fun to watch than the NCAA tournament (although the big dance is always incredible too).  And of course, the powers that be continually try to screw up what has been working incredibly succesfully.  Before you know it, there will a 128 team NCAA tournament, teams will be aligned not by any sort of rivalry or regional location, but rather by whatever flimsy fancy the athletic directors believe will bring in the most money football wise.  Look at how well BC was able to translate their move to the ACC into cash.  Their football and basketball teams became much worse, their fan base never seemed as passionate about their new found "rivals", and they have to expend a lot more cash to send their other sports down south for games.  Syracuse and Pitt will both be very solid teams in basketball no matter the sport.  Yes, it'll be fun to play UNC and Duke- and I already hate both schools, so it's not going to be hard to root against them... but I would still rather play UConn and Georgetown.  And Louisville and WVU.  And the Johnnies and the Garden.  Say it ain't so Nordenberg.  Say it ain't so.

Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: September 18, 2011 12:26 am

The ACC is about to get even better in hoops

My guess is either Rutgers and UConn, or Texas and Baylor. Everyone is saying Texas comes with Texas Tech, but Texas Tech adds absolutely nothing to the ACC. Lubbock is nowhere near Austin, and Texas Tech's academics are on par with West Virginia's, which is to say not ACC-caliber.

Baylor, on the other hand, brings an athletic program that is strong in almost every sport, football being the one exception. It is a fine academic institution that would fit well among the ACC schools. Plus, Austin and Waco are just 100 miles apart and the Bears' football team is becoming competitive for the first time in years.

I prefer Rutgers-Connecticut. But if Texas comes, I think the ACC should go with Baylor as the Longhorns' partner and leave Texas Tech to the Pac-whatever.

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