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The Big East is standing still, getting killed

Posted on: October 6, 2011 12:04 pm
Edited on: October 6, 2011 12:05 pm
By Gary Parrish

The next move in the ongoing game of conference realignment has been made.

And the Big 12 made it.

Which is why the Big 12 seems poised to survive in this eat-or-be-eaten world of college athletics while the Big East continues to get picked apart by anybody and everybody. Pittsburgh and Syracuse announced last month that they're leaving for the ACC; that took the Big East down to seven football-playing schools. Now TCU, according to my colleague Brett McMurphy, is headed to the Big 12 and leaving the Big East with just six football-playing schools ... at least one of which (Connecticut) has made it clear it would like to find a new home, too. Meantime, the Big East has done nothing of note. The league is just sitting there taking punches to the face, one after another, and, consequently, sooner or later, it'll be down for the count and in no position to adequately recover.

The possible additions of Army and Navy won't fix the Big East's problems.

At this point, I can't imagine anything really will.

What the Big East should've done is tried to take advantage of the Big 12's turmoil last month and offered invitations to any Midwest school willing to leave the Texas-Oklahoma fight behind. It might not have worked, obviously. But if we've learned anything over the past few years it's that one way to strengthen yourself is to damage the competition, and that's something the ACC highlighted when it targeted Pittsburgh and Syracuse. The Big 12, under new leadership, also understands this approach. But the Big East never has and apparently never will. So it can add Army and Navy if it wants, and perhaps East Carolina, Temple, UCF and SMU, too. But the decision to be reactive rather than proactive has put the Big East in a nearly impossible situation, and, truth be told, the storied league has only itself to blame.

Since: Nov 2, 2006
Posted on: October 7, 2011 4:49 pm

The Big East is standing still, getting killed

Boyee, the Big East doesn't need dead weight basketball schools nor 16 teams.

I like Xavier and Dayton for ten and that's enough when it comes to Catholic schools.

St. Joe's has had some success with Jameer Nelson and Phil Martelli. I think LaSalle was good a long, long time ago. I remember St. Louis having some NCAA teams. Duquesne and St. Bonnie have never been good that I can recall. Niagara? I don't even know where they are.

Since: Nov 6, 2006
Posted on: October 7, 2011 4:07 pm

The Big East is standing still, getting killed

Wow... do you two do any historical research before spouting off nonsense?

Whomever is commenting that SU is terrible ... rethink their accuracy of information...

Fact:  SU is in the top 20 (around #16 actually) in wins for all NCAA football... they've won a national title as well...   sure it is in the past, but SU football has only been bad while under Greg Robinson (horrible hire) ... other than that their history is very solid.

BTW, historically, SU has more wins than any ACC school.  (Va Tech, a newbie to the ACC and Georgia Tech are very close to SU and West Virginia in total wins)

Sure, they are not great at the moment, but they were in a bowl game (won it against a Big 12 school), so they ar hardly 'terrible'.

Since: Aug 31, 2006
Posted on: October 7, 2011 1:04 pm

The Big East is standing still, getting killed

TCU was in the Big East.  They have to pay a $5M exit fee.  They had not started playing, so they don't have to wait the 27 months to leave.

Since: Sep 17, 2007
Posted on: October 7, 2011 12:59 pm

The Big East is standing still, getting killed

The big east office ( Providence college) will take strong action in good time.Say two or 3 years down the road when they get a good grasp of the situation.No need to hurry now as they have already pi ssed away a good conference.Is there another Depaul around for them to poach?

Since: Oct 6, 2011
Posted on: October 7, 2011 12:38 pm

The Big East is standing still, getting killed

Pittsburgh and Syracuse will be middle of the pack ACC football teams. They were added for their outstanding basketball teams. Despite the fact Syracuse only has 1 football national championship and Pitt has 9.

Since: Oct 6, 2011
Posted on: October 7, 2011 12:34 pm

The Big East is standing still, getting killed

If the Big East splits, leaving only the 8 Catholic basketball schools behind, I think expanding with Atlantic 10 members who are also Catholic without D-I FBS football team like Xavier, Dayton, Saint Joseph's, Duquesne, Saint Louis, St. Bonaventure, La Salle and maybe Niagara from the MAAC so the Big East would have all three American Vincentian universities (DePaul, St. John's and Niagara). This would get them back to 16 and create a very strong primarily northeastern and midwestern basketball (and other Olympic sports) league. Butler will likely not even make the tournament this year. A split is not super likely because football bring the money, but if the Big 12 takes 2 Big East football programs and the ACC finally takes UConn (like they are begging for). That would likely just leav Cincinnati and South Florida left and if they expand that would mean an all Conference USA football league which would for sure lose its AQ.

Since: Sep 28, 2008
Posted on: October 7, 2011 11:47 am

The Big East is standing still, getting killed

WTF makes syracuse a BCS type team, have they ever even played in a BCS game? What a joke
How about the fact that we're one of few Big East teams that has the potential to get better as time goes on after we join the ACC, one of the only few in the conference that have a football and basketball team that can be good in both sports, we actually own our own facilities unlike a lot of the other schools in the Big East that rent off-campus facilities, we are only one of two programs in the Big East with a hall of fame coach and we average in the top five every year in basketball attendance?

Certainly sounds more BCS like than a school that doesn't have the potential to get better (or even have a football program for that matter like eight of the Big East schools don't), doesn't have a coach worth mentioning in basketball, has crappy attendance numbers in both sports, doesn't own their own facilities on campus, sucks in basketball with no football program (Seton Hall, Providence and Depaul).

If I were to pick teams that could survive in another BCS conference or "Big 6" conference, it would be Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, Louisville (forgot to mention them) and UConn. The rest of the teams don't have football programs, and/or don't have anything to bring to the table in a bigger conference like the ACC, SEC or Big 10.  

Since: Oct 6, 2011
Posted on: October 7, 2011 11:22 am

The Big East is standing still, getting killed

The Big East could expand, if it disovles as a football conference, but still has it's non-football members. It will have to expand to place the members who were both football and basketball members.

Since: Aug 6, 2009
Posted on: October 7, 2011 10:48 am

The Big East is standing still, getting killed

TCU was not in the Big East.

Since: Nov 25, 2007
Posted on: October 6, 2011 10:52 pm

How many teams does the Big East need...?

The league is already too large, wouldn't you say?  What would the addition of teams do to help it?  I don't get it.

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