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The Big East is standing still, getting killed

Posted on: October 6, 2011 12:04 pm
Edited on: October 6, 2011 12:05 pm
 
By Gary Parrish

The next move in the ongoing game of conference realignment has been made.

And the Big 12 made it.

Which is why the Big 12 seems poised to survive in this eat-or-be-eaten world of college athletics while the Big East continues to get picked apart by anybody and everybody. Pittsburgh and Syracuse announced last month that they're leaving for the ACC; that took the Big East down to seven football-playing schools. Now TCU, according to my colleague Brett McMurphy, is headed to the Big 12 and leaving the Big East with just six football-playing schools ... at least one of which (Connecticut) has made it clear it would like to find a new home, too. Meantime, the Big East has done nothing of note. The league is just sitting there taking punches to the face, one after another, and, consequently, sooner or later, it'll be down for the count and in no position to adequately recover.

The possible additions of Army and Navy won't fix the Big East's problems.

At this point, I can't imagine anything really will.

What the Big East should've done is tried to take advantage of the Big 12's turmoil last month and offered invitations to any Midwest school willing to leave the Texas-Oklahoma fight behind. It might not have worked, obviously. But if we've learned anything over the past few years it's that one way to strengthen yourself is to damage the competition, and that's something the ACC highlighted when it targeted Pittsburgh and Syracuse. The Big 12, under new leadership, also understands this approach. But the Big East never has and apparently never will. So it can add Army and Navy if it wants, and perhaps East Carolina, Temple, UCF and SMU, too. But the decision to be reactive rather than proactive has put the Big East in a nearly impossible situation, and, truth be told, the storied league has only itself to blame.
Comments

Since: Dec 6, 2006
Posted on: October 6, 2011 4:55 pm
 

The Big East is standing still, getting killed

At this point the Big East needs to look west. They have six football members on the east coast, perfect for an eastern division for football. A western division could include BYU, Air Force, Boise State, Houston, SMU, and USF. The east would include WVU, UConn, Rutgers, Cincy, Louisville, and Navy. This would be about the most legitimate 12 team conference than could be formed with the pieces available. For basketball, the league would consist of the 8 non-football schools, WVU, UConn, Rutgers, Cincy, Louisville, USF, SMU, and Houston. Boise State, BYU, Air Force, and Navy would be members for football only, with Air Force and Boise State either brokering a new western all-sports conference or joining a league like the Big Sky, Big West, or West Coast. (I could see Air Force joing BYU in the West Coast conference and Boise State rejoining the Big Sky). Although I am sure that Boise State and Air Force would want more certainty than that regarding their conference home, I feel like the shot at BCS money may draw them to the Big East for football, especially if BYU were willing to make the jump. Additionally, many of the members of the crumbling WAC would probably be glad to join a conference that would have more stability if Boise State and Air Force were available. Boise State and Air Force could not compete in the WAC as it is legally, but perhaps a legal distinction between the football and non-football conference could be made that would make Boise State and Air Force viable for the conference. If not, they can always join a smaller conference for basketball and non-revenue sports as BYU opted to last summer. I think this would be the best plan for survival for the Big East. And if UConn and Notre Dame defected, you could always add ECU for football only or any number of combinations of other one all-sports (UCF, UMass, Temple) and one non-football member (Xavier, Butler, Dayton, Old Dominion, VCU).



Since: Nov 23, 2009
Posted on: October 6, 2011 4:42 pm
 

The Big East is standing still, getting killed

If I were the Big East, I would try and convince the Big 12 to merge and be the first to create a super-conference.  They are melting before our eyes.  Better to team up rather than both conferences dissolve into the Pac, SEC and ACC.  The Big 12 seems stable for the next 6 years, but who knows what happens then and Texas is still going to have a leg up with their network.  Plus, the other conferences will continue to expand while the Big 12 goes from 12 to 10 and the BE drops to...well, who knows how many.



Since: Sep 17, 2011
Posted on: October 6, 2011 4:11 pm
 

The Big East is standing still, getting killed

The ACC is starting a 1.8 billion dollar tv deal with ESPN next year think they might be distributing some big cash among the members. 



Since: Mar 15, 2008
Posted on: October 6, 2011 4:11 pm
 

The Big East is standing still, getting killed

The real problem is current top level ACC programs would be mid level SEC comptetition at best.  If Frank Beamer or Jimbo Fisher really want to compete for a national championship, I think they're better positioned to run the table in the weak sister ACC than with the big boys.



EXACTLY.....thats the real reason FSU and VT would hesitate joining the SEC.......If they happen to put together a legit Top 10 team going undefeated in the ACC shouldn't be much of a problem. 



Since: Nov 2, 2006
Posted on: October 6, 2011 4:10 pm
 

The Big East is standing still, getting killed

2006? They've been dumb since they rejected Penn State.



Since: Sep 17, 2011
Posted on: October 6, 2011 4:08 pm
 

The Big East is standing still, getting killed

Okay you guys need to quit guessing on FSU and VA Tech leaving the ACC. It's not happening. They voted to change the exit fee to 20 million dollars as a group. They wouldn't have done that if they had any intention of leaving. The ACC doesn't want UCONN or any other Big East leftovers. They have the teams they wanted and are though with them. Va Tech pulled to many political strings to get in the ACC so they are stuck to UVa for life. The quality  of football in the league is getting better and Basketball is first tier. The Big East was doomed as soon as they started having Basketball only schools and letting Notre Dame play as a part time member. All in or all out that's why they aren't in the ACC or Big10.



Since: Mar 15, 2008
Posted on: October 6, 2011 4:07 pm
 

The Big East is standing still, getting killed

WTF makes syracuse a BCS type team, have they ever even played in a BCS game? What a joke



so true...that guy was just a Syracuse fanboy.

honestly, 'cuse could of switched to 1-AA and i dont think anyone would of noticed  



Since: Oct 6, 2011
Posted on: October 6, 2011 4:04 pm
 

The Big East is standing still, getting killed

For any of you with blind ACC allegiance who think 20mm is a potential exit problem to accepting an SEC invite, consider the following:

The SEC will distribute a record $220 million among its 12 member institutions this year -- an average of $18.3 million per school.

Broken down, the SEC received $113 million from football TV, $31.3 million from bowls, $15.3 million from the SEC championship game, $31.3 million from basketball TV, $5 million from the men's basketball tournament, and $24.3 million from NCAA championships.

To say that an $20mm is a barrier to a continuous revenue stream (going forward) of a similar amount is silly at best.

Here's the link to the story:




The real problem is current top level ACC programs would be mid level SEC comptetition at best.  If Frank Beamer or Jimbo Fisher really want to compete for a national championship, I think they're better positioned to run the table in the weak sister ACC than with the big boys.



Since: Jun 29, 2011
Posted on: October 6, 2011 4:00 pm
 

The Big East is standing still, getting killed

As I think more about this situation with the Big East.. I think the Big East needs to do the following: 1. Tell Notre Dame to make a choice, they are all in (all sports, including football) or hit the door, completely. 2. Expand... invite UMass, Army, Navy, UCF, Memphis, ECU, and Marshall. 3.  Invite (for basketball reasons) Butler, VCU, George Mason, and Xavier. What do you guys think?
Fullback No 34, I think I want some of what you've been smokin'.

I don't know how the Big East survives as a major conference. First of all, Notre Dame football (aka alumni & NBC) pays the bills at ND. I don't think anyone will force them to join a conference. If they had to choose a conference it would most likely be the Big 10 with the ACC a distant second. Secondly, U Mass, Army, Navy, UCF, Memphis, ECU, and Marshall would turn the Big East into a Conf USA or MAC conference (not to criticize either conference but not on par with the future super conferences).That might force the basektball only schools to form their own conference similar to the A-10 - or even merge with the A-10 to form another new conference. Oh boy, what would be the collateral damage from that move?

West Virginia, probably the the school with the most to offer of the remaining Big East schools, not quite a fit for the Big 10, SEC, or Big 12 should look to the ACC. That could be ugly after 5 (maybe 6,7) of their conference brothers have basically given them the finger. What to do with Rutgers & UConn - could be a problem for WVU for a coastal move.

Cincy and Louisville - don't really see a fit there either. So Florida - how many good athletic schools (football) are in Florida? A real problem.

The biggest questions I see right now are: 1. Does the SEC add another team to make scheduling easier? - and who? Not an easy answer without any one team really fitting their profile.  2. Will Missouri come to their senses and make the Big 12 whole again? Besides, no other conference has shown a real all inclusive desire to add them. Tough love I guess. 3. When will the Big East finally self-destruct and how will all the pieces fit together. If they do pull a rabbit out of the hat will they continue to have an automatic berth in a BCS bowl? Take that Boise St!

We can make all the conference change scenarios fit our personal desires but the fact remains TV revenue will forever be blamed for "strip mining" the landscape of our football traditions.

It sucks! But,"what's a mother to do"?



Since: May 14, 2008
Posted on: October 6, 2011 3:55 pm
 

The Big East is standing still, getting killed

  • I agree with you on this.  Big East just needs to implode already and get this over with.  No one is leaving the ACC because they have a large tv deal and I cannot imagine anyone paying 20 million dollars just to leave a league.


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