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Bob Knight commits secondary recruiting violation

Posted on: October 19, 2011 9:55 am
Edited on: October 19, 2011 9:58 am
 


By Matt Norlander


Just because you're long out of the coaching game doesn't mean you can't commit an NCAA violation.

It's looking like Bob Knight talked to a couple of recruits on the phone, and since those recruits have verbally agreed to play at Lamar, where son Pat Knight coaches, then an NCAA violation did indeed take place. Only basketball staff members, with a few exceptions, can speak with recruits about joining any sports program. Even though Bob Knight is Pat's father, he's considered a person of influence; it's why universities do their best to get famous alums around the schools as frequently as possible. Those notable alums can't speak directly to recruits, but their presence can have an influence.

It must be noted Knight had a near-flawless record with the NCAA during his coaching career. His Hall of Fame tenure at Indiana revolved around winning a ton of games (and three national titles), graduating his players and not breaking the rules. The fact this likely secondary violation has occurred drips with irony.

From the Indianapolis Star:
Regarding his conversation with Bob Knight, Minton said, “He told me that he thought I’ d be a good fit for the program and said he hoped he’d see me at Lamar.” The Beaumont Enterprise reported last week that the players “attended the Lamar football game Saturday and talked by phone with Bob Knight.”

NCAA spokesman Erik Christianson said he couldn’t comment specifically on the Lamar situation because he didn’t know the details. He added, however, “Generally speaking, telephone calls to prospects can only be made by coaching staff members or those listed in the exceptions.” The exceptions include the university president and academic advisors.
Lamar is reported to be dealing with the situation internally right now, and it's likely they'll self-report and receive a slap on the wrist. Pat Knight, who's about as different from his dad as you could expect, didn't hide from the issue. In fact, in the following  135 words, he sounds a lot like Pop.

“It was a quick hello on the phone and that was it,” he told the Star. “We recruited the heck out of the kids. He had nothing to do with that. I mean, he just was excited we were recruiting Indiana again and wanted to say hello to them and that was it.”

Pat Knight added, “At least I’m not paying them. The NCAA should look into guys that are paying players and not worry about guys that are doing it the right way. ... I don’t care if my dad is a celebrity or not. I think it’s (expletive), honestly. The guy is my dad. If he wants to say hello to a recruit, he can. If we get reprimanded, fine. They need to check into guys that are outright cheating instead of nickel-dime stuff like that.”

And ... scene. Thank you, Pat Knight.

Photo: AP
Comments

Since: Mar 5, 2010
Posted on: October 19, 2011 2:43 pm
 

Bob Knight commits secondary recruiting violation

So Cam Newton is cleared of everything because dads can do whatever they want, but Bob Knight is in trouble because dads can't do whatever they want.  Got it.  Crystal clear.

And what is this "person of influence" crap?  You know who else is probably influental to the kid?  His parents.  Is it a violation everytime the parents and the kid discuss their future?  And at what age is that decided that no one can speak to you anymore?  Isn't every human a potential college ball player up until the point that their age is over the limit?  If Knight gives his order to a waiter at a restuarant, is that illegal?  That waiter might have commited to play for some NAIA school, who knows.  I was 9 and saw Bob Knight after a practice one day and he said hi to me, and asked if I wanted to play ball for IU one day. I later went to play ball at a college other then IU, shouldn't that have been a violation?  I better turn him in.

I live right by a major university and I see the recruits they bring in all the time out in the streets, I like to consider myself influental (since that's a relitive term anyway), I guess I better stop saying hi to these people before I bring the entire university down.



Since: Feb 11, 2008
Posted on: October 19, 2011 2:36 pm
 

Bob Knight commits secondary recruiting violation

“At least I’m not paying them. The NCAA should look into guys that are paying players and not worry about guys that are doing it the right way."



cough cough ... Scott Drew ... cough cough ... Ed Cooley



Since: Dec 15, 2007
Posted on: October 19, 2011 2:25 pm
 

Bob Knight commits secondary recruiting violation

Don't most coaches work their way "up" in their coaching careers?  Isn't Pat Knight heading the other direction???  IU --> TT --> Lamar...  What's next?  A graduate assistants position somewhere and then maybe walk on and ride the bench at a school somewhere...



Since: Nov 30, 2008
Posted on: October 19, 2011 2:16 pm
 

Bob Knight commits secondary recruiting violation

Bob Knight talks to some small fry Lamar players and it's a secondary violation. Meanwhile Lebron James and Worldwide Wes are on the phone with UK recruits swaying their decisions and going to the track with ex UK players and nothing is said. Bravo again NCAA.



Since: Aug 11, 2011
Posted on: October 19, 2011 1:56 pm
 

Bob Knight commits secondary recruiting violation

Don't think his flawless record of no violations as a coach would have held up to todays microscope scrutiny. NCAA needs to start focusing on the bigger issues at hand and start to change with the times or it is going to become irrelevant. For a lot of these players a free education is not compensation enough for the time that they have spent honing their skills and frankly is not of much use when it is not what they are talented at. Time for some kind of compensation structure that requires academic work as well as recognizes the revenue these schools are generating in enrollment and advertising.




Since: Jul 30, 2009
Posted on: October 19, 2011 1:52 pm
 

Bob Knight commits secondary recruiting violation

Who cares?.........Honestly who cares?



Since: Nov 14, 2007
Posted on: October 19, 2011 1:29 pm
 

Bob Knight commits secondary recruiting violation

Cue the old school crowd to come to his defense.  The shame of it is this guy really does know basketball, he just isn't very bright when it comes to anything other than x's and o's.



Since: Sep 20, 2006
Posted on: October 19, 2011 1:28 pm
 

Bob Knight commits secondary recruiting violation

The NCAA needs to get a clue.

Any NCAA holier than thou accusation, should be responded with "CAM NEWTON". Great homework there, fellas.
 
Besides, it's ok with the NCAA to hide a kid with the equivilent of a 6th grade education for a season of basketball until the grading period forces them to the NBA, but a phone call from a retired Hoosier coach to a Hoosier kid that has ALREADY committed to his son's team, is a problem ?




Since: Jan 2, 2007
Posted on: October 19, 2011 1:22 pm
 

Bob Knight commits secondary recruiting violation

I went to Cornell and have no interest in this fight.  rgriff04, I wonder if you actually read the message when you made this response:
just throwing Calipari's name out there with no substance to back up your claims.  Weak.  If that's the case... if your just going to wrecklessly throw names out...
This was not a gratuitous remark, he was comparing Knight to the opposite of other coaches, such as Calipari.  It was hardly a reckless comment, (drop the "w").  I am sorry, but your message is the one that appears to be devoid of substance.



Since: Oct 19, 2011
Posted on: October 19, 2011 12:58 pm
 

Bob Knight commits secondary recruiting violation

That's weak tcolts.... just throwing Calipari's name out there with no substance to back up your claims.  Weak.  If that's the case... if your just going to wrecklessly throw names out... let's include Barnes.  He must be crooked and cheating because of all the good recruits he's bringing in... and it doesn't matter that the NCAA has not reported his cheating behavior... he's got to be cheating because I think he is! 


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