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Which AP voters didn't vote for Barnes?

Posted on: October 31, 2011 2:53 pm
Edited on: October 31, 2011 2:59 pm
By Gary Parrish

Vote for an All-American team, you had to do two things:
  1. Put Jared Sullinger on it.
  2. Put Harrison Barnes on it, too.
After that, do whatever you like. Jordan Taylor, Tu Holloway or Kendall Marshall can be your point guard. You can take any combination of Terrence Jones, Anthony Davis, Perry Jones, Thomas Robinson and John Henson as your bigs. You can have John Jenkins or Austin Rivers as your scoring guard. You can use Jeremy Lamb and have two guards, two wings and a big. Anything within those guidelines is reasonable. But omitting Sullinger or Barnes is indefensible.

So guess what happened when the AP released it's All-American team on Monday?

It was revealed that two voters didn't have Barnes on their ballot.

I mean, he's still an AP All-American. (The team is Taylor, Lamb, Barnes, Jones and Sullinger.) But Barnes only received 63 of a possible 65 votes, which means two people who supposedly cover college basketball for a living didn't vote for the most talented player on the nation's most talented team despite the fact that Barnes averaged 24.7 points in the ACC tournament, 21.0 points in the NCAA tournament and 21.5 points over UNC's final 10 games. Yes, he got off to a slow start last season, but that was in his past by mid-February. The 6-foot-8 wing played like a star down the stretch, even got 40 in a win over Clemson, and there's no intelligent way to defend not including him on an All-American ballot.

But I'm willing to listen.

So if you're one of the two AP voters who didn't include Barnes, show yourself.

We'll give you space in this blog to explain the omission.

I wish you luck in advance.

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Since: Sep 22, 2006
Posted on: November 2, 2011 11:10 am

Which AP voters didn't vote for Barnes?

fireduke, perhaps you're the one who should see your doctor.  Take a look at the charts and the stats:

After the early games against patsies in November, Barnes is averaging about 12-14 ppg all the way to the tournament.  Sure, he had a great tourney run, but how great an argument is it that a 15 ppg guy deserves to be on the All-America team?  Ten boards a game?  Yeah, I must have missed those THREE GAMES where he had 10 boards or more.  THREE, dude; and one of those was the tourney opener against vaunted Long Island University, while another came against Long Beach State.

Barnes had a good run in the ACC tournament, and the few games before that--back-to-back 20+ against NCState and BC--but that's hardly the stuff of pre-season all-Americas.  I'll grant that "less-than-mediocre" might have been a bit harsh, but "has to be a pre-season All-America" is ridiculous on the other end.

Since: Aug 26, 2011
Posted on: November 1, 2011 7:23 pm

Which AP voters didn't vote for Barnes?

This goes to show you that the so called writers dont really count, who cares if they didnt put him on it should they have probably but your votes are just opinions and we all have our own

Since: Nov 1, 2011
Posted on: November 1, 2011 3:50 pm

Which AP voters didn't vote for Barnes?

How exactly is Jeremy Lamb overrated?  Because he was the second-best player on the national championship team?  Because he was on the U-21 national team this summer and was the best player and leading scorer on that squad?  Pretty sure his inclusion on this list is a result of him out-performing the other college players that were on that team, and doing it against international competition that is, frankly, superior to what he will be facing this year in the college ranks.  As for the comment about his inconsistency, it's pointless.  There were few players more inconsistent than Harrison Barnes for the first two months of the season last year, yet leaving him off of this list is considered blasphemy.  Even Jared Sullinger was inconsistent early last year, but he's a unanimous choice.  I guess just ask Kentucky, Arizona and Butler how good they think Lamb is.

Since: Nov 1, 2011
Posted on: November 1, 2011 2:06 pm

Which AP voters didn't vote for Barnes?

Hmm. I watched just about every Tarheel game last year. Either dementia has set in early, you didn't watch those games or you are simply biased against the Heels or Barnes. The fact is Barnes was already vastly improved before Kendall became point guard so that was about one third into the season and by the midway point the shots were falling and your nonchalant reference to him performing in 10-15 games where he averaged about 23 points in the acc/ncaa tourney and would often pull down 10 reb's is just playahat'n no respect. Furthermore, Barnes averaged 15 points in regular season play- then I guess more than 90% of the players in the ACC are " less-than-medicore ". I can only delight in the fact that you will be very unhappy this year as Barnes and the Heels roll and that this little attempt to downplay him will be remembered as, how did you put it? oh yea- pretty much nothing.

Since: Feb 21, 2008
Posted on: November 1, 2011 1:58 pm

Which AP voters didn't vote for Barnes?

Actually, only one freshman has ever been on the preseason AP All America team. It was Barnes last year, and he should not have been on it. And he did not make the team last year after the season concluded. No freshman should ever be on it, because no matter how good they were in high school, college basketball isn't high school. Anthony Davis may have dominated last year in Chicago, but that doesn't mean when he plays against Festus Ezeli, he'll be able to do anything. When he faces Renardo Sidney, he may get some buckets with his speed, but he certainly won't be denying Sidney anything on the defensive end. Potential is what the NBA Draft is based on, the All America team, preseason or postseason should be based on proven abilities at the college level. For that reason, Jeremy Lamb has no business on this list. What if Josh Selby had been the preseason All America last year, and not Barnes, would you still make your ludicrous argument about potential/talent?

Since: Sep 20, 2008
Posted on: November 1, 2011 1:26 pm
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Since: Sep 22, 2006
Posted on: November 1, 2011 7:56 am

Which AP voters didn't vote for Barnes?

Perhaps, Mr. Parrish, those who did not vote for Mr. Barnes actually watched the games.  Perhaps they remember jackasses like yourself who voted him "Player of the Year" before he set foot on a college court, then watched him have a less-than-medicore first three-quarters of the season.  Perhaps they remembered that he was pretty much nothing, despite all that natural talent, until late.  Perhaps they noted that the change in UNC's point guard made more difference than Mr. Barnes' appearance. 

Sullinger performed last year; Barnes performed for about 10-15 games last year.  Does Barnes really deserve to be a unanimous pick?  Only if people follow your hunches.  BTW, with Barnes still in school, which unproven freshman will you pick to supercede him as PoY this year?


Since: Sep 7, 2010
Posted on: October 31, 2011 11:38 pm

Look at it this way

Who says anyone has to vote for certain players?  It's not like either Sullinger or Barnes are obvious college all-timers like Magic, Bird, Big O, Maravich, Alcindor, etc.   I'll predict right now, Terence Jones of KY will have a bigger season than either of these guys.
And Barnes got 97% of the vote, so why whine? Americans can't even come close to 97% agreement  that the Prersident is an American!And if NC was the most talented team last year, show me their NC trophy.

Since: Jan 24, 2008
Posted on: October 31, 2011 11:25 pm

Which AP voters didn't vote for Barnes?

UConn all day....Andre Drummond and Jeremy Lamb will both have all american caliber seasons

Since: Feb 2, 2011
Posted on: October 31, 2011 9:33 pm

Which AP voters didn't vote for Barnes?

Bigcheese when doing the preseason lists you've got to go by both past results (if any) and potential/talent. If you go by what players have "proven" you wouldn't have any freshman on the list and that would typically be wrong

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