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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: December 5, 2011 3:44 pm
Edited on: December 5, 2011 5:08 pm
 
By Gary Parrish

Leaving Georgetown unranked is dumb. Leaving Georgetown unranked when you rank Alabama and Memphis is even dumber. But multiple Associated Press voters did it this week. Their punishment is an apperance in the Poll Attacks.

Associated Press poll: Did you watch that Georgetown-Alabama game last week?

It was terrific, wasn't it?

Hollis Thompson hit a 3-pointer near the buzzer to give Georgetown a 57-55 win in Tuscaloosa in a game that suggested both are Top 25 teams, and so it should surprise no one that both are in the AP poll this week. But why is Alabama two spots ahead of Georgetown?

Both schools are 7-1.

They have comparable resumes.

Both have good wins.

Neither has a bad loss.

But Georgetown has a road win over Alabama and should be ranked ahead of the Crimson Tide. That's not even debatable, is it? Look, head-to-head results can't be the absolute deciding factor in polls. Otherwise, you'd need UNLV ahead of North Carolina and UCF ahead of Connecticut, and that doesn't make sense. But a head-to-head result should be the determining factor when two teams have comparable bodies of work -- especially if the road team won that head-to-head matchup -- and that's precisely the case with Georgetown and Alabama.

Georgetown has two wins over currently ranked teams (No. 16 Alabama and No. 21 Memphis) and its one loss came to No. 13 Kansas. Alabama has two good wins (over Wichita State and Purdue), but neither came against a ranked team, and the Crimson Tide's lone loss came to Georgetown. So while the bodies of work are comparable, Georgetown's is obviously better. And -- I can't stress this enough -- the Hoyas just won at ... Alabama.

So, again, why is Alabama two spots ahead of Georgetown?

Answer: I have no idea.

But Michael Phillips is as responsible for it as anybody else.

He works at the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

He has Alabama ranked ninth.

He has Georgetown unranked.

And that's the dumbest AP ballot I could find this week.

Dude has Alabama and its 7-1 record ranked ninth, Memphis and its 4-2 record ranked 17th and Georgetown and its 7-1 record -- its 7-1 record that features wins over Alabama and Memphis -- completely unranked. That is stupid but apparently not unique to Michael because other AP voters, inexplicably, did the same thing. Bill Cole of the Winston-Salem Journal has Alabama 11th, Memphis 21st and Georgetown unranked. Elton Alexander of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer has Alabama 14th, Memphis 19th and Georgetown unranked. Gary Laney of The Advocate has Alabama 12th, Memphis 19th and Georgetown unranked. And Jason Franchuk of the Provo Daily Herald has Alabama 16th, Memphis 18th and Georgetown unranked.

I'm sure all of those voters are smart guys.

But I bet none of them could intelligently defend those ballots.

Coaches poll: I like Ed Conroy and I think he's got Tulane headed in the right direction just like he had The Citadel headed in the right direction before he left for Tulane. The school made a good hire and he's off to a nice start in his second season -- proof being the Green Wave's 9-0 record that was enough to get them two votes in the Coaches poll.

First, let me say this: Good for Tulane.

That school and that city have been through so much over the past seven years, so seeing Tulane receive any sort of notoriety during a perfect start to a basketball season is nice on some level, and I don't even mind it, really. But let's be honest. The Green Wave don't belong on anybody's Top 25 ballot because all perfect records are not created equal.

Kentucky, for instance, is 8-0.

The Wildcats have wins over No. 6 North Carolina and No. 13 Kansas.

That's an impressive perfect record.

And Ohio State is 8-0, too.

The Buckeyes have wins over No. 5 Duke and No. 12 Florida.

That's also an impressive perfect record.

But Tulane's perfect record is different.

The Green Wave have a win over a Division II school and eight wins over Division I opponents with a combined record of 19-41. They've topped zero teams who happen to have winning records against Division I opponents, which is a round-about way of saying that Tulane hasn't beaten anybody of note. Which is fine. Seriously, it's fine. If I'm Ed Conroy, I'm scheduling the exact same way because winning early in a tenure is by far the most important thing. At the end of the season, nobody is going to sit around debating Tulane's strength of schedule. Conroy's boss will only care if the Green Wave improved in the win-loss column, and they're almost certainly going to do that.

So things are going as well as they could possibly go.

If you're a Tulane fan, celebrate this start.

But voters have to use context when putting together a ballot, and the truth is that there are probably more than 100 schools that would be undefeated against Tulane's schedule. Bottom line, the Green Wave do not belong in anybody's Top 25. Not yet. Let them win at Syracuse -- or even play Syracuse competitively on Dec. 22 -- and be 15-0 or 14-1 after a January 4 game at UCF, and then we'll talk. But for now, ranking Tulane is a little silly. Again, I don't mind it, really. I can't be mad at Tulane or New Orleans. But these are the Poll Attacks, and Tulane getting votes is the silliest thing in this week's coaches poll.
Comments

Since: Dec 6, 2011
Posted on: December 6, 2011 2:23 pm
 

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Yeah, because as we all know UK looked REAL impressive in their dominating 10 point home victory over MIGHTY 5-3 Old Dominion.



Since: May 17, 2011
Posted on: December 6, 2011 1:36 pm
 

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I see the Dookie crybabies are back...



Since: May 3, 2011
Posted on: December 6, 2011 1:10 pm
 

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You want to talk absurd, your Tarheels have two losses and are still in thej top 5. It shows you that all thse rankings are about is Carolina and Duke, period. I'm a Uconn fan and I hope we play your soft tar heels, we'll beat them down too.



Since: Mar 18, 2008
Posted on: December 6, 2011 12:15 pm
 

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I agree with you memphis shud be rankked #1 and will prob win it all, and duke is so overrated hmmmm REALLY 



Since: Apr 4, 2011
Posted on: December 6, 2011 11:57 am
 

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Parrish is still in love with Calipari.... Listen to his show and invariable his name or UK come up all the time.  If Cal was still in Memphis it would be a different story



Since: Oct 16, 2011
Posted on: December 6, 2011 11:30 am
 

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YOU REALIZE DUKE HAS 1 SR ON ITS TEAM, AND THEY ARE VERY YOUNG, YES THE BELMONT GAME WAS VERY CLOSE AND IF IT WASNT FOR DAWKINS WE WOULD HAVE LOST. NORTH CAROLINA HAS PLAYED 2 QUALITY OPP. MICH ST AND KY. 1 ON A SHIP AND THE OTHER IN LEXINGTON. THEY GOT BEAT BY A FALLING UNLV TEAM. DUKE HAS PLAYED BY FAR THE TOUGHEST SCHEDULE IN THE COUNTRY AND ALL THAT DID WAS MAKE THEM A BETTER TEAM, IT WOULD NOT HAVE MATTERED WHO OR WHAT TEAM WENT INTO COLUMBUS THAT NIGHT AND WON, DID YOU WATCH THE GAME? I CERTAINLY DID. DUKE WILL MAKE THE ELITE 8 MAYBE EVEN THE FINAL 4. NOBODY CAN STOP AUSTIN RIVERS AND ONCE HE BRINGS THE PASS TO HIS DRIVE. THAT TEAM WILL BE VERY DANGEROUS.



Since: Nov 3, 2011
Posted on: December 6, 2011 11:16 am
 

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THe Rankings are just as bullshit here as the are in the BCS. No professional sports use a ranking system, its all by wins an losses. This is how it should be done in college accross the board. Take away the power from thes stupid so called "experts" and computers and let the win/loss records and confernce championships decide who gets in the playoffs and have a PLAYOFF SYSTEM.



Since: Dec 5, 2011
Posted on: December 6, 2011 11:06 am
 

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Didn't I reply to this already?  If so, I apologize.  For Louisville to be ranked in the Top 10 now is absurd.  If Louisville played UNC, UNC would be favored by 10 and would likely win by more than that.  Of course, if Louisville hit 15 threes or more they might have a chance to upset UNC.  Louisville would  have no chance to score on the inside.  Overall, UNC is better at every position than Louisville.  If they played 10 games, UNC would likely win 8 (or more). 



Since: Dec 31, 2008
Posted on: December 6, 2011 9:28 am
 

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Louisville is ranked 5th with Baylor behind them in the AP poll.



Since: Dec 3, 2006
Posted on: December 6, 2011 9:10 am
 

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***  GARY-- Can you explain how UofL ranked 6 last week..Wins 2 good games shorthanded .. 2 teams above them lose & Baylor Beats Prairie View & jumps Over UofL & UofL DROPS to #7  ???   We know you're a ACC man & Goodman despises UofL BUT ...RIGHT IS RIGHT ..  Please Explain Rationale...We're all Interested in Your "thinking"... Have Nice Day--  !!!   Anyone Else out there Understand this ..Please offer your theory !! 


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