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Cincinnati's Cronin's words were just that: Words

Posted on: December 11, 2011 2:12 pm
Edited on: December 11, 2011 3:53 pm

By Jeff Goodman

Mick Cronin's actions needed to be as forceful as his words.

They weren't.

Star big man Yancy Gates, after delivering a right-hand that knocked Xavier's fellow heavyweight to the floor, received a six-game suspension. Cincinnati also suspended Octavius Ellis and Cheikh Mbodj, who stomped on Frease while he was down on the court, for six games -- and Ge'Lawn Guyn for one game.

Gates should have received -- at minimum -- a 10-game penalty, maybe even being tossed from the team for good. Cronin talked a big game after Saturday's brawl, one that was embarrassing for all parties.

"We accept full responsibility and it will be handled," Cronin said. "There is zero excuse for that in basketball. ... The fact is the guys ... represent an institution of higher learning. Xavier has been a great school for years. We're trying to cure cancer at Cincinnati. I go to school at a place where they ... created Benadryl; I think that's more important than who wins a basketball game. And our guys need to have an appreciation that they're there on a full scholarship and they better represent the institution with class and integrity. ... I just told my guys I will meet with my AD and my president and I'm going to decide who is on the team going forward. That's what the University of Cincinnati is about. Period. I've never been this embarrassed."

Cronin talked about how these kids need to appreciate the value of education, how they need to act accordingly -- or they won't ever be allowed to put on a Bearcats uniform.

He had an opportunity to follow through with his strong message in the post-game news conference -- one that was applauded by nearly everyone. (Doyel: Cronin talked the talk)

Then he opted not to follow through on his strong statements, and hit Gates, who did his best Mike Tyson impression when he sent Frease to the canvas, with just six games.

I understand that it was a mistake, one Gates would love to take back. But it's not as though Gates has been the model citizen, either. He's been suspended by Cronin previously -- and the penalty should have been more severe for this transgression.

But winning is more important to Cronin. At least that's what his actions said.

He needs Gates, especially when Big East play rolls around.

Gates will miss games against Wright State, Radford, Arkansas Pine-Bluff, Chicago State, Oklahoma and Pittsburgh.

That's a grand total of one conference game.


Since: Mar 13, 2008
Posted on: December 11, 2011 9:51 pm

Cincinnati's Cronin's words were just that: Words

I'm not sure what replay you have seen but Guyn clearly put his hand on Holloway's face. I was actually at the game. Yes, Holloway was wrong for trash talking as well as taunting the UC bench. But Guyn came up in his face, put his hand on his face. Well's was about to separate the two when he saw Guyn's hand go to his face, and his knee jerk reaction was to push him. Again, this is obviously not the right thing to do either. Both sides were trash talking the entire game so both teams are at fault for the brawl. And lets not forget the outcome of the game either. A good xavier team won by 23 points. Hope this doesn't overshadow the ability of the team.

Since: Dec 9, 2011
Posted on: December 11, 2011 9:50 pm

Cincinnati's Cronin's words were just that: Words

i think that the punching guy and stomp man shoud be kicked off the team if we are to go by the coaches words. Hey, if your gonna talk the talk, you gotta walk the walk!

Since: Sep 12, 2006
Posted on: December 11, 2011 9:48 pm

Cincinnati's Cronin's words were just that: Words

Mr. Goodman,

From your comments yesterday, it looks like you had this article written before the suspensions were handed down. Compare the Gates punishment to that leveled against Wells and Holloway, but before you do, review all the video that the schools reviewed. There are other angles showing a different picture than what has been show popularly from the ESPN footage. If you review all of it, especially the behavior of Frease, you may change your mind.

Since: May 29, 2010
Posted on: December 11, 2011 9:43 pm

Cincinnati's Cronin's words were just that: Words

Mr. Goodman, You are quanitfying the suspension based on the level of competition of games missed. That's a poor assessment from a sportsbeat professional. This team will lose continuity, cohesion, it's familiar rotation and some games, even some respect. But to punish players for a brawl with an instate rival is nothing new. There were some cheap shots and your assessment is far too early for scrutiny as was the punishment by Cinncinati's coach. Sending a message is not an assessment of the situation. It's looking over your shoulder to see if anyone is watching carefully. This wasn't a Pacer-Piston Brawl and it wasn't a Minnesota-Ohio st. back in the day brawl. It was hometown trash talk that got way, way out of hand with a lop-sided victory for one team and some classess crap from the other. 6 is plenty, off the team is the next penalty. Let it go.

Since: Oct 9, 2009
Posted on: December 11, 2011 9:37 pm

Cincinnati's Cronin's words were just that: Words

I love the hate thrown towards the University of CINCINNATI, as if I should be ashamed I was ever associated with the school/city, obtained my degree there, and will likely pursue further studies again there someday.  Believe me when I say that it was because I went to the University of Cincinnati that I sip mimosas on the beach in Maui every weekend of my life now..... Yancy Gates' behavior should have no bearing on how the academic institution is perceived.  He was brought up in a horrible part of the city where any of you making a comment about him would have likely failed at life as well.  So Mick is a terrible coach for giving a kid a chance to succeed at something he was good at?

Since: Nov 13, 2006
Posted on: December 11, 2011 9:37 pm

Cincinnati's Cronin's words were just that: Words

Every kid who threw a punch should get the season off. Most of these kids should be in the NBDL anyway, they have no interest in college beyond basketball.

Tu Holloway for his constant trash talk in every game, his obvious taunting in this game and the utter and complete stupidity of his post game comments is an embarrassment to Xavier.

Since: Nov 23, 2007
Posted on: December 11, 2011 9:08 pm

Cincinnati's Cronin's words were just that: Words


I agree, it is strange, but I happen to think it occurred due to chance.  I can imagine Gates punched Frease not because he is white, but because theyve been battling all game long. Cheikh Mbodj being a classy fighter, simply stomped on the first thing possible.

But yeah, reversed, eeeuhh I can only imagine also how it would be spun. 

Since: Oct 3, 2006
Posted on: December 11, 2011 9:08 pm

Cincinnati's Cronin's words were just that: Words

no sorry everyone that wasnt a race issue that was gates getting frease back for frease head butting him two years ago it was retaliation not race related sorry plz stop playin the race card.

Since: Jan 11, 2009
Posted on: December 11, 2011 8:56 pm

Cincinnati's Cronin's words were just that: Words

crystalclear: Absolute nonsense. You really think the metality was 'there is the white guy, get him!' The fact that you seem to be so obsessed with race may point to deeper problems that YOU have.

Since: Sep 10, 2010
Posted on: December 11, 2011 8:44 pm

Cincinnati's Cronin's words were just that: Words

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