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Cincinnati's Cronin's words were just that: Words

Posted on: December 11, 2011 2:12 pm
Edited on: December 11, 2011 3:53 pm

By Jeff Goodman

Mick Cronin's actions needed to be as forceful as his words.

They weren't.

Star big man Yancy Gates, after delivering a right-hand that knocked Xavier's fellow heavyweight to the floor, received a six-game suspension. Cincinnati also suspended Octavius Ellis and Cheikh Mbodj, who stomped on Frease while he was down on the court, for six games -- and Ge'Lawn Guyn for one game.

Gates should have received -- at minimum -- a 10-game penalty, maybe even being tossed from the team for good. Cronin talked a big game after Saturday's brawl, one that was embarrassing for all parties.

"We accept full responsibility and it will be handled," Cronin said. "There is zero excuse for that in basketball. ... The fact is the guys ... represent an institution of higher learning. Xavier has been a great school for years. We're trying to cure cancer at Cincinnati. I go to school at a place where they ... created Benadryl; I think that's more important than who wins a basketball game. And our guys need to have an appreciation that they're there on a full scholarship and they better represent the institution with class and integrity. ... I just told my guys I will meet with my AD and my president and I'm going to decide who is on the team going forward. That's what the University of Cincinnati is about. Period. I've never been this embarrassed."

Cronin talked about how these kids need to appreciate the value of education, how they need to act accordingly -- or they won't ever be allowed to put on a Bearcats uniform.

He had an opportunity to follow through with his strong message in the post-game news conference -- one that was applauded by nearly everyone. (Doyel: Cronin talked the talk)

Then he opted not to follow through on his strong statements, and hit Gates, who did his best Mike Tyson impression when he sent Frease to the canvas, with just six games.

I understand that it was a mistake, one Gates would love to take back. But it's not as though Gates has been the model citizen, either. He's been suspended by Cronin previously -- and the penalty should have been more severe for this transgression.

But winning is more important to Cronin. At least that's what his actions said.

He needs Gates, especially when Big East play rolls around.

Gates will miss games against Wright State, Radford, Arkansas Pine-Bluff, Chicago State, Oklahoma and Pittsburgh.

That's a grand total of one conference game.


Since: Sep 7, 2006
Posted on: December 11, 2011 4:41 pm


Also, if this was Harvard or Providence or Purdue or BYU or any other mostly caucasian schools/teams that would never ever come close to be asked or stated...

They're thugs because common preppy white people think all black people who fight are thugs.

And just because Gates is the biggest baddest lookin' dude in basketball he should be cut, well Shaq shoulda been cut when he swung at Brad Miller! Miller woulda died if he woulda been hit. But Shaq's not a thug, he's hilarious.

White people = ignorant
Oh yeah I'm white 

Since: Sep 18, 2011
Posted on: December 11, 2011 4:41 pm

Cincinnati's Cronin's words were just that: Words

Now XU announces:  four games for Dez Wells and Landon Amos, two for Mark Lyons, and one for Tu Holloway.  I'm an XU fan, but IMHO, neither these, nor the UC suspensions announced earlier today (6 games for Gates, Mbodj, and Ellis) are sufficient. I think Gates and Lyons in particular deserve more serious punishments.  Gates hit at least three XU players, and only one looked like anything close to a reaction to being attacked himself.   Lyons was trash talking throughout the game,  threw punches during the fight, and spoke inappropriately at the post-game presser.  This kid is supposed to be a team leader, but he has a long history of mouthing off and losing his temper on the court.  I just don't think a two game suspension will get any sort of meaningful message across to him.  Tu's punishment was also minimal, but there's a difference between having an inappropriate mouth and getting into a fist fight on the court; the replays all show him backing away initially, then being restrained (was it even necessary?), and never attacking anyone physically.  Chalk it all up to coddling of elite athletes and a missed opportunity to make a statement about collegiate values. 

Since: Jan 3, 2008
Posted on: December 11, 2011 4:36 pm

Cincinnati's Cronin's words were just that: Words

Wow, a Cincinnati basketball team loaded with thugs and lowlifes. Who woulda thunk it?

Maybe the best thing would be to let them play all season but suspend them all for the conference championship and NCAA tournament, assuming they are good enough to get there.  

Since: Sep 21, 2006
Posted on: December 11, 2011 4:36 pm

Cincinnati's Cronin's words were just that: Words

Harry Poppins probably has it right. There is absolutly no excuse for an individual to act the way Gates did unless that person has some serious problems that are and probably were detectable before this guy was invited to play basketball at that school. The problem is, money overlooks waaaaay to many things when it comes to selecting kids to come to "a" school. The guys at the table only care about the championships that might come in result of a guy playing for them and gamble on the hope that the guy they want doesn't do "this" while playing for them. I hope more happens to Gates before this is all said and done and that he ends up not playing again for this team or any other D1 school. If the guy want to keep playing, then he should be forced to start from the back of the line and re-earn his way back to the top. If he's that good, then he has nothing to worry about when it comes to the NBA, but to continue to reward a guy for being a thug without losing something, is insane.  

Since: Mar 8, 2011
Posted on: December 11, 2011 4:31 pm

Gates Shouldn't Shoulder All the Blame

What Gates did was wrong, however, it is not like he wasn't provoked.  The trash talking Musketeers are equally at fault in this mess.  I do not think Gates should be tossed off the team unless Xavier is willing to do the same to those who instigated the whole mess.

Since: Sep 7, 2006
Posted on: December 11, 2011 4:30 pm


This is even more embarrassing than the fight itself.

Come out in a press conference and say he personally took off players jerseys and so on and so on...
My theory is he was pumping them up even more in the locker room. Saying good job taking a stand.

i respected this coach because of what he was saying and how he said it. But when it came down to it, he's a COWARD.

Your teams sucks anyways, as seen, why would you feel the need to keep #13? Gates obviously is a beast and took advantage, but kicking someone on the ground or in general is the biggest cowardic act you could possibly do.

If #13 isn't off this team than I have lost all respect for this coach.

Since: Aug 4, 2011
Posted on: December 11, 2011 4:22 pm

Cincinnati's Cronin's words were just that: Words

exceptional article to say the least goodman! i was expecting 10 plus maybe kicked off team for gates i was so suprised when i saw six game suspensions.. cronin obiously wants to make the ncaa tournament cuz they are only missing one big east game. Harry Poppins you are dead on point with your satement!

Since: Dec 31, 2006
Posted on: December 11, 2011 4:06 pm

Cincinnati's Cronin's words were just that: Words

Wow, a 6 game suspension. 5 meaningless non-conference games and a conference game they were going to lose anyway.
Big deal!
The NCAA should step in here and say, "uh, no. Not good enough."
Yates should seriously be suspended for good. Thrown off the team. That sends a message. I'm very disappointed in Willard, the Cincinnati AD, President and the Big East.
This a total embarassment for college athletics. Again.

Since: Apr 1, 2007
Posted on: December 11, 2011 4:03 pm

Cincinnati's Cronin's words were just that: Words

And then Mike Cronin said " Blah blah blah."
What a bunch of BS. Six whole games?
As Chris Paul would say...WoW!
I certainly expected to hear about how many guys were going to be expelled. Now, we realize these low-lifes are still milking the school and community for free scholarships. Scholars.. boy if ever there's an oxymoron, this is it.

Since: Mar 19, 2008
Posted on: December 11, 2011 3:56 pm

Cincinnati's Cronin's words were just that: Words

Everyone is missing the big picture here.  Both Cinncinnati and Xavier need to be questioned BIG TIME as to how these thugs were given scholarships and/or even got into school!!!

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