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Easy to confuse Pac-12 with a mid-major league

Posted on: December 19, 2011 9:22 am
Edited on: December 19, 2011 9:33 am
 


By Jeff Goodman

There's no East Coast bias here. The Pac-12 stinks. Plain and simple. 

"No excuses," one head coach in the league texted me. "You're right." 

There's truly no defense for what's gone on out west thus far. The league has been absolutely manhandled. 

Sunday was just another day in the park for the Pac-12, one that saw South Dakota State pummel Washington in Seattle and then watched Virginia go out to Oregon and take care of the Ducks. 

A day prior, there was no shame in Gonzaga working over Arizona in Seattle. But what about Northern Arizona - with a 70-year-old interim head coach -- knocking off Herb Sendek's Arizona State Sun Devils?  Or Georgia going west and beating USC at the Galen Center?

The league doesn't have a single victory against a Top 25 team. In fact, it's nearly impossible to find the most impressive win notched by anyone in the league. It's been so pitiful that a case can be made for Oregon State's come-from-behind win in New Jersey against a young Texas team as the flagship win for the Pac-12 thus far. 

This could be a two-bid league. Probably should be a two-bid league. 

We thought, entering the season, there were four teams that were capable of making a legitimate run to the NCAA tournament. Maybe even a handful - if you want to include an Oregon team that was thrown together due to desperation. 

UCLA appeared formidable on paper, but we quickly learned that one player can truly wreck a season (see: Reeves Nelson). Arizona isn't nearly as talented as some thought, especially with talented freshman Josiah Turner refusing to buy into Sean Miller's approach early in the season. 

Oregon's Dana Altman has already lost his top freshman, Jabari Brown, and is now reliant on a bunch of second-chance guys (i.e. Devoe Joseph, Tony Woods) and Washington, the most talented team in the league, earned its most impressive win against UC Santa Barbara. California was blasted by Missouri and also lost on the road to what everyone figured was a rebuilding San Diego State club. 

Stanford has been the most impressive team in the league thus far with a 9-1 record, but the Cardinal still hasn't notched a victory against an NCAA tourney team. The loss was impressive, against top-ranked Syracuse in New York, but the most significant wins have come against N.C. State and Oklahoma State - a pair of teams likely headed to the NIT. 

Don't even get me started on teams like Arizona State (4-6), Washington State (which lost to UC Riverside), USC (which already has seven losses), Colorado (which has lost to Wyoming and Colorado State) and a dismal Utah team. None will even be on the bubble for the CBI or CollegeInsider.com. 

Listen, I want to defend the Pac-12. I graduated from a school in the league. 

But I'd lose all credibility in doing so. 

The league is currently ranked ninth in the RPI, behind the A-10 and Missouri Valley and barely in front of the WCC and C-USA.  

However, if there's one positive spin I can put on the Pac-12's misery, it's the fact that this league is up for grabs, a complete toss-up right now. It's difficult to imagine a scenario in which the regular-season champ doesn't get an at -large bid to go dancing - and obviously, the tourney winner gets an automatic berth to the NCAA tournament. 

That means everyone in the league still has a shot. 

Well, maybe not quite everyone.


Comments

Since: Sep 28, 2008
Posted on: December 19, 2011 5:26 pm
 

Easy to confuse Pac-12 with a mid-major league

Easy to confuse Pac-12 with a mid-major league
The Pac-12 isn't a mid-major? 

Oh wait, they're not. But the last three years, the Pac-12 has been bad. And none of the teams from the conference have been able to win a national title since 1997, and the only team that has actually made a deep run in the tourney was UCLA in the early 2000's. 

I don't want to hear stupid excuses from Pac-12 fans either about getting all of these players drafted into the NBA. The conference is the worst of the powers most years and simply lacks tradition outside of UCLA, Arizona and Stanford. The conference consists of three great schools and nine pathetic ones.


It's good that the media finally realized this after years and decided to print a story. 



Since: Aug 17, 2006
Posted on: December 19, 2011 5:05 pm
 

Easy to confuse Pac-12 with a mid-major league

Arizona? Check.  California? Check.  USC? Check.

Let's hear it for San Diego State, your Pac-12 Mens Basketball Champions!!!



Since: Oct 13, 2006
Posted on: December 19, 2011 4:54 pm
 

Easy to confuse Pac-12 with a mid-major league

Sean Miller inherited practically nothing from Lute. Before he came to Arizona, they went through 3 seasons of uncertainty and no real head coach. Its absurd to say the success Miller has seen has anything to do with his predecessor Lute. Romar has the most talented team in the PAC as was pointed out, yet they get blown out on their home court by a mid major. Thats all on the coaching.



Since: Feb 19, 2009
Posted on: December 19, 2011 4:11 pm
 

Easy to confuse Pac-12 with a mid-major league

Romar is a good coach but one of the best in the nation is giving him way too much credit. Hes third in the pac 12 at best. Miller and howland are much better coaches. Our conference is pretty piss poor but we will get two bids unless whoever wins the conference also wins the tourney. if UCLA WASH or ZONA win the conference they will get in on name alone. I also think Stanford is playing very well. The conference race will be interesting.
You can't say Sean Miller is a better coach than Lorenzo Romar. Howland, maybe, but keep in mind that UCLA is historically one of the best college basketball programs in the nation. He is a very good coach though.

Sean Miller took over a nationally relevant Arizona program from one of the great coaches the nation has seen. He is in his 3rd season right? So one could argue that a lot of the success of that program is in the wake of the Lute Olson days. Miller hasn't established himself at Arizona, yet, as a great coach because he hasn't had time. He did do a very good job at Xavier, but their program is historically very good as well. So, yes, he is a good coach, but as good as Romar?

Romar took a UW team that was pretty down (63-99 in the Pac 10 under the last coach) and has turned them into a nationally recognized program. UW made 9 NCAA tourney appearances in the history of the program pre-Romar; Romar has already taken them to 6.

Howland and Miller have great teams, no doubt, and they are great coaches, but Romar is also a great coach. In my opinion the best in the Pac-12. The point is, he is DEFINITELY good enough to get this Washington team into the tourney. I expect nothing less. 



Since: Sep 10, 2007
Posted on: December 19, 2011 3:51 pm
 

Easy to confuse Pac-12 with a mid-major league

A little research will show that the Cal Bears have a great win against Denver.  They are #23 in the RPI ratings.  Even though the PAc 12 is down, I actually can see three teams making it to the tournament.  Stanford, Cal, and Arizona.  One could easily argue that the 2 best teams on the west coast are not in the PAC 12 and that would be Gonzaga and San Diego State University.  I am sure both schools would love a PAC 12 invite. Of course that means sharing football money with them and that is not what the PAC 12 is about. The PAC 12 cares more about football money then quality basketball. 
Oregon state's 8-2 record is misleading. Their only quality win is against a less than spectacular Texas team(RPI 86). Most of their other wins are against schools they paid to come play them. It must have been a shocker when Idaho came in and won.  OSU does have one road win against 0-10 Towson.
Anyway go West Coast!



Since: Jan 2, 2007
Posted on: December 19, 2011 3:50 pm
 

Easy to confuse Pac-12 with a mid-major league

Time for the MWC to get their fair share and get 3-4 teams in at the HACK-12's expense.  Oh and GO REBS!



Since: Dec 8, 2011
Posted on: December 19, 2011 3:26 pm
 

Easy to confuse Pac-12 with a mid-major league

Romar is a good coach but one of the best in the nation is giving him way too much credit. Hes third in the pac 12 at best. Miller and howland are much better coaches. Our conference is pretty piss poor but we will get two bids unless whoever wins the conference also wins the tourney. if UCLA WASH or ZONA win the conference they will get in on name alone. I also think Stanford is playing very well. The conference race will be interesting.



Since: Nov 14, 2008
Posted on: December 19, 2011 2:30 pm
 

Easy to confuse Pac-12 with a mid-major league

This is not a top to bottom elite conference. ASU is pathetic and there is no defending them. Utah is useless. But Stanford is 9-1 (their only loss a close one to Syracuse), Oregon State is a surprising 9-2, Cal is 9-2 and Arizona is 7-4 with a young team trying to replace Derek Williams and Momo Jones with freshmen and the 12th toughest SOS. UCLA and Washington have been huge disappointments SO FAR...not sure what their excuse is...but they will get it together.

We hear the same tripe every year. They were supposed to get two bids last year and got four or five and ended up with the same number of teams in the Elite 8 as the Big East did.




Since: Dec 10, 2010
Posted on: December 19, 2011 2:27 pm
 

Easy to confuse Pac-12 with a mid-major league

Funny, not a single word about the team which should win the league, the CAL GOLDEN BEARS ... completely agree the PAC-12 is in a down cycle though



Since: Jan 21, 2010
Posted on: December 19, 2011 2:11 pm
 

Easy to confuse Pac-12 with a mid-major league

The league is bad, and it's even worse because the Colorado Fluff-aloes are now a part of it. CU by itself drags down the Pac-12. Who's bright idea was it to invite CU into the Pac-12? Fuck the Buffaloes!


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