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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: January 2, 2012 2:36 pm
Edited on: January 2, 2012 2:53 pm
 
By Gary Parrish

You think adopting a cute dog will keep you out of the Poll Attacks?

Think again, Toni.

Think again.

Let's go!

Associated Press poll: Pittsburgh is 11-4 overall and 0-2 in the Big East.

And yet the Panthers are still getting points in the AP poll.

Seriously.

The good news is that all four of Pitt's points came from the same voter, which means 64 of the AP's 65 voters understand the Panthers belong nowhere close to a Top 25 ballot. The bad news is that one voter isn't quite as tuned in. Her name is Toni Ginnetti, and this might be the first time I've ever Poll Attacked a woman. (Insert joke here.) Honestly, it makes me a little uncomfortable. But how can she have Pitt ranked 22nd?

Pittsburgh has no good wins and four bad losses (on the road at Notre Dame and at home to Long Beach State, Wagner and Cincinnati), which means the Panthers are in the running for the nation's most disappointing team considering they were ranked 10th in the preseason. And yet Toni has them ranked 22nd. Which is silly. She also has Xavier ranked 18th. Which is also silly considering the Musketeers have dropped four of their past five games, including Saturday's home game to a Gonzaga team that is now 11-2 and ranked 25th but somehow unranked on Toni's ballot.

In summary, Toni is the only person giving Pitt and Xavier votes.

So she's smarter than everybody or completely unaware of what's happened the past two weeks.

The latter seems more likely.

But, either way, let's end this on a good note. Seems Toni just adopted the cutest dog in the world. I'm for stuff like that. So because she's so generous I promise to never Poll Attack her again ... as long as she gets Jamie Dixon's underachieving Panthers off her ballot by next Monday.

Coaches poll: Jeff Goodman and I ranked Indiana seventh in the Top 25 (and one).

Now for the question you're asking ...

Do we really believe there are just six teams better than Tom Crean's Hoosiers?

Answer: No.

But what do you do with a team that's 13-1 with no bad losses and wins over Kentucky and Ohio State? At some point you have to throw away what you think you know and just rely on the body of work, and IU's body of work is among the nation's best. Again, the Hoosiers are 13-1. The only loss is a loss at Michigan State, and Indiana actually led that game with less than nine minutes remaining. (Michigan State, by the way, is 13-2 with losses only to North Carolina and Duke. So, like I said, IU's loss at Michigan State is not a bad loss.) Meantime, the Hoosiers have wins over Kentucky, Ohio State and Butler. That's really good at this point in the season and why I can't understand the coaches ranking IU 12th.

Let's compare the Hoosiers' body of work to one team ranked ahead of them -- Louisville.

The Cards are 12-2.

They have zero wins over teams currently ranked.

They have a loss to the Kentucky team that IU has already topped.

And, if you're into this sort of thing, the Cards are nine spots behind Indiana at KenPom.com.

So how is Louisville ranked ahead of Indiana? And why is Indiana still outside of the top 10? If the Hoosiers are fraudelant, we'll find out soon enough and adjust accordingly. But for now, they probably belong in the top 10, and they definitely belong ahead of Louisville.
Comments

Since: Mar 29, 2009
Posted on: January 3, 2012 1:05 am
 

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Hey Hattie,
I will take the top half of the big 10 any day against UofL...When was the last time UofL won anything of note?  If I remember correctly, my Spartans did a number on the vaunted UofL team a couple of years ago in the tourny...



Since: Dec 20, 2006
Posted on: January 3, 2012 12:08 am
 

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@cardcatfaninlex You also have to put the UNC game in there also. The bottom line is college basketball is competitive again. I am a Tarheel fan and hate close games for my team. Yet I have to admitt that it's entertaining watching this season. No one likes to watch when the outcome has already been predetermined. Let's just enjoy this season for what it is, intriguing.




Since: Sep 8, 2010
Posted on: January 2, 2012 11:29 pm
 

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Much love on you ranking IU high even after admitting you personally don't think they are that good. That shows unbiasness (which is what a lot more sports writers need to learn) and you're exactly right that they should be up there.



Since: Dec 16, 2006
Posted on: January 2, 2012 11:06 pm
 

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Parrish, I agree with nearly this entire post.  However, I don't think cincinnati is a 'bad' team anymore.  I'm not trying to say they're good or quite ready to be in the top 25, but I wouldn't say they have been bad since the Xavier game.



Since: Jan 2, 2012
Posted on: January 2, 2012 7:30 pm
 

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wildcatjon,

your right, UL does go after the ball on every possesion.  In big east conference games, they allow much more contact during the games than what is tolerated in non conference games.  I believe that does not work to big east teams advantage during March madness, simply because they must abruptly control how aggressive they play during the NCAA tourney.  I would much more have liked to see the UL/UK game played without so many whistles.  Davis was on the bench, as was Behanan and Buckles.  I think that hurt UL more than UK, though, because UL had to rely more on gaurds for rebounding against a much taller, bulkier wing players for UK.  MKG is a beast, and it showed in this game.  I dont think UL has a player on the wing that can match up with him.  What made the biggest difference in the 2nd half, was Dieng getting to 3 fouls early.  Even with that happening, UL still tied the game at 40.  UL's aggressive play was a catch 22 for them.  They caused turnovers, but Davis was left alone, standing down low, for several easy baskets when Dieng was not in the game.  It was a tough game, and to UK's credit, they made the plays to get the win.  I saw good things for both teams, that will benefit both as the year goes along.



Since: Jan 2, 2012
Posted on: January 2, 2012 7:21 pm
 

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UK fans dont see what is happening in the games when they play.  The ref's in that game were ranked #7, #9, & #55 in fouls called this year.  2500+ fouls called this year already.  They were all from the ACC, so there was no conference bias.  What there was, actually, was three ref's trying to control a college basketball game with the whistle, instead of letting the teams play, and decide the game amongst themselves.  Both technicals were not worthy of a T, they were just trying to exert their control over the players.  Your correct, it had nothing to do with pitino's strategy.  Nosebleed is a typical UK fan that cant see beyond his team.  Bottom line, this game is not a true barometer of what these teams are.  I do think UK is as talented as billed, but just like the IU game, they can be taken out of their game, and made to look like freshman.  Looking forward to UL improving from their lose, and UK realizing they need to continue to improve as well.  I fully expect Pitino to bring this team around, just like he does every year.  As a UL fan, I for one am glad we have kids on our team that will be there for 4 years, unlike UK, that is trying to win with the one year wonders.  It looks good on paper, and makes UK fans proud of their recruiting, but as of now, it has not translated to championships.  They have gotten close, but so did the Michigan Fab Five, who were equally as talented as any team calipari has put together - at UK or Memphis - but he has not been able to get any of those young teams over the top.  Who knows, maybe this will be the year, but the UL and IU games have shown they have much work to do before they get there.



Since: Apr 9, 2007
Posted on: January 2, 2012 7:07 pm
 

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This will go bias since I'm a UK fan, but as a Kentucky our best front court player was benched most of the first half but you guys still trailed, One of your players committed a stupid taunt and got nailed with a TO. Now  as for all the fouls I wished they would have let them play. But I think most of the fouls were deserved on both sides. There were several I would have let go. But Louisville plays like that this year. They are scrappy and slap at the ball. Might as well get use to all the fouls because thats how it will get called during Big East Play also.



Since: Apr 9, 2007
Posted on: January 2, 2012 7:07 pm
 

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This will go bias since I'm a UK fan, but as a Kentucky our best front court player was benched most of the first half but you guys still trailed, One of your players committed a stupid taunt and got nailed with a TO. Now  as for all the fouls I wished they would have let them play. But I think most of the fouls were deserved on both sides. There were several I would have let go. But Louisville plays like that this year. They are scrappy and slap at the ball. Might as well get use to all the fouls because thats how it will get called during Big East Play also.



Since: Dec 3, 2006
Posted on: January 2, 2012 6:58 pm
 

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** hoosierguy ..  YOU AGREE ---DUH--  What a Surprise !!  LOL



Since: Dec 3, 2006
Posted on: January 2, 2012 6:56 pm
 

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**Nosebleed .. News for you-- It was NOT pitinos Strategy to foul.. It was the Blue Home refs strategy to Bench UofLs frontcourt ..Leaving UKs to look good ..  & play ..whistle-whistle  to keep the pressure fast pace to a minimum... Did you even Watch this atrocity..??   Any time big guy .. But on a Nuetral Court .. Maybe in March --I'd Love that !!!   Happy New Year !!


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